Thoughts on English independence

[TCO]

What happens with Scotland Yard? What is Scotland Yard (other than something in Tey, Christie, Sayer mysteries)?

[Geronimo]

Originally posted by TCO
What happens with Scotland Yard? What is Scotland Yard (other than something in Tey, Christie, Sayer mysteries)?

It's a national wonder so the one in london goes to England while the new Scotland civ is free to build it's own post independance if they really are worried about being able to produce spies.


Anyway read this for a more useful answer to your question.

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by Cort Haus


What a load of crap. Drogue has already explained why on the first point but on the second - to say that Scottish MPs have little impact is a joke because the governing party is entirely dependent on Scottish votes.

Oh dear. You've missed a couple of threads, but I'll fill you in. I've been having fun deliberately disagreeing with Drogue on a few topics.

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by Cort Haus


What a load of crap. Drogue has already explained why on the first point but on the second - to say that Scottish MPs have little impact is a joke because the governing party is entirely dependent on Scottish votes.

Oh dear. You've missed a couple of threads, but I'll fill you in. I've been having fun deliberately disagreeing with Drogue on a few topics. He enjoys going into long rebuttals.....

[Cort Haus]

Originally posted by Geronimo
Most villains in most movies I've seen were neither english nor played by obviously english actors. Anyway Hollywood has produced films where the hero is supposed to be english like the Bond films.

BS.

http://www.moviecliches.com/cliche3.html

# The bad guy is the foreigner.
# Corollary: the foreigner is the guy who speaks English with an English accent

[Cort Haus]

Rufus Sewell:

http://www.geocities.com/vue2sewell/Archive/2001/LondonTimes/LTAug01.html

"I didn't want to move to America to play English villain after English villain."

Simon Cowell

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117872267.html?categoryid=4&cs=1

"I didn't want to be perceived as the nominal English villain."

[CerberusIV]

As far as N Ireland goes Labour (and the tories) have decided to get rid of it if they can - that's the whole point of British government involvement in the peace process. The Irish government have essentially agreed to take it provided it won't blow up in their faces with protestant terrorism. It's going to take time but the outcome is looking inevitable.

As for England/Scotland, Labour blew it. They offered regional government in England without any real control over health, education and transport - the things that really matter - and the voters decided, rightly, that they didn't want an expensive talking shop. Without that the issue of Scottish votes in the UK parliament isn't going to go away - nor is it going to get resolved any time soon.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Victor Galis
Ok, so supposing the question were not of a separate Scotland, but rather of establishing an English parliament with similar powers like that of the Scottish parliament, so that everyone is still on an equal footing: What would the general attitude towards that be?

(And finally where would the English Parliament sit? Presumably London, I'm thinking.)

An English Parliament is a fair enough concept, it just means the inevitable breakup of the UK. It would far, far too big for any federal government to control it.

[Geronimo]

Originally posted by Cort Haus


BS.

http://www.moviecliches.com/cliche3.html

# The bad guy is the foreigner.
# Corollary: the foreigner is the guy who speaks English with an English accent

you can't seriously be offering up that site as some sort of reference to support your assertion that villians are usually english or portrayed by english actors? Did you even read the rest of the entries? There's plenty of innacuracies and absurd exaggerations there. The list seems intended to entertain rather than inform and is exceedingly sloppy if intended to inform.

[Geronimo]

Originally posted by Sandman


An English Parliament is a fair enough concept, it just means the inevitable breakup of the UK. It would far, far too big for any federal government to control it.

just divide england up so that it's power is split amongst multiple local parliments.

[Lazerus]

Should scrap all devolution full stop and rule the entire UK from westminister.

[Krill]

[q=BBC]
SNP unveils 'Trident toll' plans
Trident submarine
The Trident submarine fleet is based at Faslane on the Clyde
A toll on the transportation of nuclear warheads in Scotland could raise up to £85m, according to the Nationalists.

The Scottish National Party's leaders say they will seek to impose a levy on Trident if the party leads the Scottish Executive after May's election.

But the plans were dismissed as a diversionary tactic by Labour.

Armed Forces Minister Adam Ingram questioned the legality of such a move and said taxpayers would end up footing the bill.

The SNP wants to impose a £1m toll on every nuclear weapon which is brought into Scotland.

SNP leader Alex Salmond said the "Trident toll" would use devolved powers over local taxation.

'Think again'

The scheme would aim to raise £85m a year, which he said was Scotland's share of the cost of Britain's nuclear weapons.

"I believe that most Scots would rather see the government spend money making Scotland a safer, healthier and fairer country than wasting it on nuclear weapons," he said.

"This Trident toll will be a powerful new deterrent, and we hope will make the UK Government think again about bringing a new generation of nuclear bombs to Scotland's shores."


What they are effectively now saying is that it is going to be a cash crop
Adam Ingram
Armed Forces Minister

The Trident submarine fleet is based at the Faslane Naval Base on the Clyde.

However, Mr Ingram told the BBC's Politics Show that there were questions over the legality of the SNP's proposals.

"The other aspect is that I thought the SNP policy was one of total opposition to Trident, and to the nuclear civil programme as well," he said.

"What they are effectively now saying is that it is going to be a cash crop.

"Is it a principle or is it a way of making money? They have got to make their minds up."

He added that the cost would be borne by taxpayers as the money would come out of defence expenditure. [/q]


WTF?

[Kuciwalker]

We dealt with this issue 200 years ago, IIRC.

[Krill]

I'm just trying to figure out how Scotland has the right to tax the UK government...I suppose we could just say to them that if they tax the warheads we'll stop double that amount from reaching them via subsidies. They can't bargain from a position of strength because they don't have one.

And if they want to leave, no complaints from me...

Though it does bring up an interesting point about what happens to the armed forces if Scotland bugegred off to do it's own thing.

[Nubclear]

So let me get this straight...Scotland is recieving a large amount in subsidies from the rest of the United Kingdom and is given a considerable amount of autonomy....

What are they complaining about, exactly?