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    from the times

    Were we nearly les franglais?
    Sam Knight

    Traumatised by Suez and the fighting in Algeria, a desperate French Prime Minister floated the idea of merging with Britain in 1956 and installing the Queen as head of state of the two countries, the BBC will report tonight.

    Records of conversations between Anthony Eden, the British Prime Minister, and his Cabinet Secretary, Sir Norman Brook, show that the idea was swiftly dismissed but that serious thought was given to a secondary proposal to make France a member of the Commonwealth.

    The minutes have been available to historians for 20 years in the National Archives but their contents was not widely known, the BBC reported today. The discovery has surprised historians in France, where no evidence of the proposal, made by Guy Mollet, the Prime Minister, exists.

    The Cabinet record of Mr Mollet's visit to Britain on September 10, 1956, reads as follows: "When the French Prime Minister, Monsieur Mollet was recently in London he raised with the Prime Minister the possibility of a union between the United Kingdom and France," the BBC reported.

    A subsequent note, from September 28, 1956, describes a conversation between Mr Eden, a well known Francophile, and Sir Norman Brook:

    "Sir Norman Brook asked to see me this morning and told me he had come up from the country consequent on a telephone conversation from the Prime Minister who is in Wiltshire. The PM told him on the telephone that he thought in the light of his talks with the French:

    "That we should give immediate consideration to France joining the Commonwealth.

    "That Monsieur Mollet had not thought there need be difficulty over France accepting the headship of her Majesty.

    "That the French would welcome a common citizenship arrangement on the Irish basis."

    The offer of an Anglo-French merger — "an indissoluble union" — was made by Winston Churchill in the spring of 1940, as Nazi Germany threatened to conquer both countries, and historians and politicians said today that the Mollet idea was another curio in a long and intense relationship. It prefigured the formation of the European Economic Community, the forerunner of the EU, by just a year.

    "I liken the French/British relationship to a very old married couple who often think of killing each other but would never dream of divorce," said Denis MacShane, the former Europe Minister, today. "This is an example of the tortured romance between our two countries that has been going on since William the Conqueror colonised Britain 1,000 years ago."

    Mr MacShane also suggested that for all the hostile posturing in the press of both countries, the royal family would have had a loyal following in France — where the film The Queen has been a hit — and that the populations of each country have a strong mutual respect.

    Kevin Ruane, a professor of modern history at Canterbury Christ Church University who has studied Anglo-French postwar relations, said Mr Mollet's suggestion had been known to historians of the subject for some time and illustrated the intense strain of the looming Suez crisis and the agitations of Gamal Abdel Nasser, the Egyptian President, who was funding the Algerian uprising against French colonial rule.

    "For the British audience I think this shows that France was extremely worked up over the Suez thing. It wasn't just Anthony Eden," he said. "This shows desperate men at a desperate moment, coming up with a knee-jerk reaction."

    "I think if you were to sit down and work out the practicalities of such a relationship you would see it as a marriage made in haste and repented at leisure. You simply cannot put two such nationalist entities, as they then were, together and expect them to get along."
    i think it's fair to say, that for once, eden got it right.
    "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

    "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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    I heard it this morning on the news. Typical Guy Mollet moronism
    "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
    "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
    "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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    • #3
      wait... France is a stand alone state? a country that governs itself?

      whoa... that's news to me

      I always thought that they were something akin to a one legged whore in harlem

      this blows my mind
      Monkey!!!

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Spiffor
        I heard it this morning on the news. Typical Guy Mollet moronism
        i had to chuckle at the part where it said there was no record of this in the french national archives.
        "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

        "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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        • #5
          "This is an example of the tortured romance between our two countries that has been going on since William the Conqueror colonised Britain 1,000 years ago."
          Such a nice way of saying, "They shot the English King in his friggin' eye with an arrow, and then stole all the English land."

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Spiffor
            I heard it this morning on the news. Typical Guy Mollet moronism
            France will never live this down! They surrendered to us and we weren't even at war!
            Speaking of Erith:

            "It's not twinned with anywhere, but it does have a suicide pact with Dagenham" - Linda Smith

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            • #7
              Obviously a preemptive surrender
              Speaking of Erith:

              "It's not twinned with anywhere, but it does have a suicide pact with Dagenham" - Linda Smith

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              • #8
                You cant deny that since germany became powerful, the english and french have been very buddy buddy to contain germany, well, not since the european union, now it is germany and france who are buddy buddy
                I need a foot massage

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                • #9
                  ^ worthless post

                  thanks for paying attention
                  Monkey!!!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Provost Harrison


                    France will never live this down! They surrendered to us and we weren't even at war!
                    Nah. Just like Churchill 16 years before, we were suggesting to unite against a terrible foe who risked to engulf us both: Nasser!
                    "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
                    "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
                    "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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                    • #11
                      The debates in the House of Commons would have gotten really weird:

                      "Your mother is a hamster, and your father smells of elderberries!"

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Brachy-Pride
                        You cant deny that since germany became powerful, the english and french have been very buddy buddy to contain germany, well, not since the european union, now it is germany and france who are buddy buddy
                        Yeah, the EU is our third attempt now. Let's see how it goes this time.
                        Blah

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by BeBro


                          Yeah, the EU is our third attempt now. Let's see how it goes this time.
                          By the time you guys get it right, you will all be speaking Arabic anyway..
                          Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We are evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that. --Saul Tigh

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                          • #14
                            The Frogs really considered this? Ye Gods...

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Sprayber


                              By the time you guys get it right, you will all be speaking Arabic anyway..

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