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Originally posted by LordShiva
Not everyone lives on a small island
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Do you live in the UK?The cake is NOT a lie. It's so delicious and moist.
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Actually the Great Britain is quite a large Island as Islands goSpace is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.
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No one ever said thermic energy will disappear. The point is rather that by developing wind and solar, you can operate polluting plants below capacity, and keep the extra as a reserve. Using this method, it's quite feasible to reduce emissions by 15-25%.Originally posted by Doddler
What plant are you going to use to generate through the peak hours in order that generation matched the daily demand profile?
You need gas and coal.
This could be well the key to meeting the Kyoto objectives. You know, this unrealistic librul conspiracy?In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.Comment
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It's hardly liberal!Originally posted by Oncle Boris
No one ever said thermic energy will disappear. The point is rather that by developing wind and solar, you can operate polluting plants below capacity, and keep the extra as a reserve. Using this method, it's quite feasible to reduce emissions by 15-25%.
This could be well the key to meeting the Kyoto objectives. You know, this unrealistic librul conspiracy?www.my-piano.blogspotComment
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I did say solar will never be the solution because it is unlikely it will ever suddenly improve in efficiency several dozen times faster then nuclear. Solar will remain a tiny fraction, a kid's toy to placate those who prefer to live in a fantasy world instead of looking at the real world. When solar suddenly becomes relevant you can feel free to post about it but until then realize solar is not the anwser to much of anything.
Wind and geothermal make nice niche players which can indeed be profitable even without massive government subsidies. Solar can't. Hydro is great if you have a large river to dam but we seem to be out of those. Burning fossil fuels pollutes the air and causes global warming. The only option we have left which can produce the MASSIVE amounts of electricity we need without polluting the environment is nuclear.
Nuclear isn't just going to be part of the equation it will dominate the energy equation if we ever decide to do something serious about global climate change.Last edited by Dinner; January 25, 2007, 17:39.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.Comment
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These order of magnitude calculations are healthy and fun.
That said, it bears pointing out some things.
(1) As qty increases, we can expect a non-linear reduction in price per piece. It is pretty pointless to take a 1 qty price and do any mass-scale calculations based on it.
(2) Commercial and industrial customers pay a different rate per kwh than households in the US for electricity. Furthermore, they have roofs that tend to be flat and featureless and are therefore suitable for solar cell placement. It is misleading to take the price per kwh you are paying on your home electricity bill and do any mass-scale calculations based upon it.
(3) The cost of manufacture for these panels is very high, since the process is tied to the silicon fab industry, and meanwhile solar panels are playing second fiddle to higher value fab work (computer chips and the like). It is not a law of nature that solar cells must be manufactured this way.
(4) Solar power capacity is built up over time, requires little maintenance, and does not require fuel. You need to keep this in mind when you compare to an annual economic total.
(5) Related to #4, the electricity generation industry in the US has revenues of about $325 billion per annum, or about 2.5% of the economy. That's quite a lot of clams against which to benchmark solar.Last edited by DanS; January 25, 2007, 18:48.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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(6) Related to #4, like nuclear, solar power is capital intensive, meaning that the price to install a kw of max capacity can swing greatly based upon the interest rate (low rates equal low costs and high rates equal high costs).Last edited by DanS; January 25, 2007, 18:42.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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And, tipping my hat to Stern, your discount rate.Originally posted by DanS
(6) Related to #4, like nuclear, solar power is capital intensive, meaning that the price to install a kw of max capacity can swing greatly based upon the interest rate (low rates equal low costs and high rates equal high costs).www.my-piano.blogspotComment
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