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Will The Jury Rise, Please? In The Matter of David Floyd vs. Walmart...
Originally posted by DaShi
I think a lot people are simply overlooking the fact that it is Walmart that he screwed.
Walmart >> David Floyd
Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?
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Floyd's a stain on libertarianism that can only work if men behave morally. A clear indication why libertarisnism or any quasi-religious political affiliation fails when people fail to live morally but live for personal gain.
This from a person who generally supports libertarian principles.
"Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
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This has little to do with libertarianism. The important aim is at shooting the government structures down, and keeping the house clean, effective and out of our business.
If an individual shoudl commit crimes, they are still subjected to the same penalties as now. In case DF is in fact guilty of fraud, he would be still handled the same way as in any other system.
If a person would attack another person, you can't say 'well libertarianism is a bad idea because this can happen'. No, that's exactly what it is against, people butting in other people's business. It's the fault of the individual.
This is the socialist claim, and I'm glad so many are with it, that somehow, for example greed is a trait of some political system. Duh? People are greedy, or some people are, it has nothing to do with socialism, capitalism, or what have you. Also, libertarianism does nto encourage theft etc. It just simply has nothing to do with that, so I'm also glad everyone is totally missing this thing... individualism does not mean EVERYTHING TO ME NOW SCREW TEH REST!!!!
What are you? ****ing commies?
In da butt.
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No it is about libertarianism becasue it asumes that for libertariansism to work people will behave morally and look to not cause harm to others. That commerce takes place in a consentual set of agreements. Fraud is a perpertration of harm and shows that moral behavior is not necessarily implicit in human beings. To that extent pure libertariansim (as David among all posters has been the most vocal advocate) has to be tempered with checks to prevent rampant me-ism.
Despite any technical defenses he otherwise might state he willingly and knowingly attempted to defraud Walmart by implication or otherwise. Any claim otherwise is negated in his threads first sentence.
Let me start by saying that I screwed Walmart out of a brand new IPOD.
Indicating he knew full well he was not entering into a fair (if legal) exchange.
AS for the following
If a person would attack another person, you can't say 'well libertarianism is a bad idea because this can happen'. No, that's exactly what it is against, people butting in other people's business. It's the fault of the individual.
Were it not for crimes of individuals police powers would not be granted to the government by the will of the majority of people to prevent said crimes. A few bad apples spoiling it for the rest of us and all that jazz....
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Originally posted by Provost Harrison
*ahem* Do remind me, who are you again?
Your memory's short. A few months ago you were taking every chance you could to ask me stuff like "Elok, why must you always act like such an annoying little cretin?" And I would ask YOU wtf your problem was...
Walmart is a leech on the back of local communities. Putting honest hard working people out of business and selling crap made in China. Just like any big business they don´t give a damn about anyone else but themselves and their stock holders. So I say to hell with them and to hell with lutheran moral code. So they lost one iPod, big deal. They can afford it.
Your memory's short. A few months ago you were taking every chance you could to ask me stuff like "Elok, why must you always act like such an annoying little cretin?" And I would ask YOU wtf your problem was...
Handbag away deary, just that David Floyd has been around a lot longer than you have...
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Originally posted by Zoid
Walmart is a leech on the back of local communities. Putting honest hard working people out of business and selling crap made in China. Just like any big business they don´t give a damn about anyone else but themselves and their stock holders. So I say to hell with them and to hell with lutheran moral code. So they lost one iPod, big deal. They can afford it.
Yeah, how dare they? To make it worse, they even go out and hire members of the community! And provide cheaper products to everyone by being efficient! And, to top it off, they give dirty, poor, third-world people jobs!!! TEH HORROR!!!
THEY!!111 OMG WTF LOL LET DA NOMADS AND TEH S3D3NTARY PEOPLA BOTH MAEK BITER AXP3REINCES
AND TEH GRAAT SINS OF THERE [DOCTRINAL] INOVATIONS BQU3ATH3D SMAL
AND!!1!11!!! LOL JUST IN CAES A DISPUTANT CALS U 2 DISPUT3 ABOUT THEYRE CLAMES
DO NOT THAN DISPUT3 ON THEM 3XCAPT BY WAY OF AN 3XTARNAL DISPUTA!!!!11!! WTF
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