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Not just Russia but also the Islamic countries which fund most of the terrorism in the world. As an added bonus nuclear plants don't produce any greenhouse gases so it also combats global warming. It's a win-win situation for the west.Originally posted by Lazerus
Build more nuclear plants and starve Russia of cash
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Russia's two biggest exports are oil and natural gas. Oil is often burned to produce electricity as is natural gas. In any event even if you're just using it as heating oil then replacing it with an electric heating system (we use a lot of those in California) means you use no hydrocarbons for heating or electricity as long as you build a nuclear power plant. There is no need for a nuclear powered car; that's just a silly comment.Originally posted by Sir Ralph
Oil has little to do with electrical energy. Most of it is used for heating purposes and as fuel for travel. I suppose you don't consider cars with a nuclear engine, do you?Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.Comment
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You have half of the equation correct. Belarus doesn't want to pay market prices for Russian oil. For it's part Russia refuses to pay the pipeline tax which Belarus impossed after Russia quadropled prices on Belarus. Turn around is fair play, if Russia doesn't want to honor the previous agreement to give Belarus subsidized oil then Belarus doesn't have to let Russia transport that oil at a subsidized rate.Originally posted by Sir Ralph
Topic in question is however not gas, but a stop of oil delivery, because Belarus refuses to pay world market prices. Demanding market prices is reprehensible how, by the way? I thought you were such a staunch supporter of capitalist principles?
The honest solution would be for Belarus to pay market rate for oil and Russia to pay the legal pipeline tax Belarus charges to allow oil to be transported across its territory. Either that or they both back down and restore the previous agreement.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.Comment
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I think Russia is playing for bigger stakes.Originally posted by Oerdin
You have half of the equation correct. Belarus doesn't want to pay market prices for Russian oil. For it's part Russia refuses to pay the pipeline tax which Belarus impossed after Russia quadropled prices on Belarus. Turn around is fair play, if Russia doesn't want to honor the previous agreement to give Belarus subsidized oil then Belarus doesn't have to let Russia transport that oil at a subsidized rate.
The honest solution would be for Belarus to pay market rate for oil and Russia to pay the legal pipeline tax Belarus charges to allow oil to be transported across its territory. Either that or they both back down and restore the previous agreement."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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I don't know about California. In Germany the amount of power plants using oil as fuel is practically zero. Only about 10% of our electrical energy comes from natural gas plants. Roughly 30-40% of that gas comes from Russia, hence the impact of Russian oil to German electrical energy is below 1% (if at all, oil is used only in small local generators) and the impact of Russian gas is 3-4%.Originally posted by Oerdin
Russia's two biggest exports are oil and natural gas. Oil is often burned to produce electricity as is natural gas. In any event even if you're just using it as heating oil then replacing it with an electric heating system (we use a lot of those in California) means you use no hydrocarbons for heating or electricity as long as you build a nuclear power plant. There is no need for a nuclear powered car; that's just a silly comment.Comment
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Price agreements don't last unlimited time, especially when it comes to fossil fuel, prices change daily. This is especially true if one of the sides grants the other a huge rebate.Originally posted by Oerdin
You have half of the equation correct. Belarus doesn't want to pay market prices for Russian oil. For it's part Russia refuses to pay the pipeline tax which Belarus impossed after Russia quadropled prices on Belarus. Turn around is fair play, if Russia doesn't want to honor the previous agreement to give Belarus subsidized oil then Belarus doesn't have to let Russia transport that oil at a subsidized rate.
If Belarus would pay the full market rate, which Russia does not even demand at the moment, paying that "tax" would be easy. The best solution for Western Europe, however, would be building an oil pipeline through the Baltic sea, similar to the gas pipeline which is built at the moment. The best solution for Russia would be to sell their fossil fuel to China and India. Or do you want to starve them of money too?The honest solution would be for Belarus to pay market rate for oil and Russia to pay the legal pipeline tax Belarus charges to allow oil to be transported across its territory. Either that or they both back down and restore the previous agreement.Comment
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a pipeline under the Baltic would be a large cost, only to leave them more dependent on Russia.Originally posted by Sir Ralph
Price agreements don't last unlimited time, especially when it comes to fossil fuel, prices change daily. This is especially true if one of the sides grants the other a huge rebate.
If Belarus would pay the full market rate, which Russia does not even demand at the moment, paying that "tax" would be easy. The best solution for Western Europe, however, would be building an oil pipeline through the Baltic sea, similar to the gas pipeline which is built at the moment. The best solution for Russia would be to sell their fossil fuel to China and India. Or do you want to starve them of money too?
The best solution for India is probably to source NG via either pipeline or LNG from the Persian Gulf, where IIUC they still flare it off."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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Yep, hence my total support for them.Not just Russia but also the Islamic countries which fund most of the terrorism in the world. As an added bonus nuclear plants don't produce any greenhouse gases so it also combats global warming. It's a win-win situation for the west.Learn to overcome the crass demands of flesh and bone, for they warp the matrix through which we perceive the world. Extend your awareness outward, beyond the self of body, to embrace the self of group and the self of humanity. The goals of the group and the greater race are transcendant, and to embrace them is to acheive enlightenment.Comment
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Russia should be forced to give away its energy for cheap - maybe even below internal Russian prices. After all, anything less is antidemocratic and a distortion of the free market.
Russia, why do you hate freedom?
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hmmm more nuke plants... just what the world needs, Radiocative waste increasing, stuff that will be around for thouasands of years.
Increased risk and exposure to radiative waste trapsortation. and storage.
Increased risk and exposure to Three mile island and chernobyl events.
Give me global warming any day compared to those risks.GM of MAFIA #40 ,#41, #43, #45,#47,#49-#51,#53-#58,#61,#68,#70, #71Comment
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why not, when doubling prices to Belarus, consider letting Angela Merkel know in advance, so she can stockpile oil just in case? Its not always what you do, but how you do it.Originally posted by Tacc
Russia should be forced to give away its energy for cheap - maybe even below internal Russian prices. After all, anything less is antidemocratic and a distortion of the free market.
Russia, why do you hate freedom?
"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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we should all buy more Russian Oil and less Middle East ...GM of MAFIA #40 ,#41, #43, #45,#47,#49-#51,#53-#58,#61,#68,#70, #71Comment
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Did you read anything in this thread. I clearly stated that if Russia wants to break the current agreement with Belarus and charge market rates then they should also be forced to pay Belarus's pipeline tax. Russia currently insistes they can charge 400% higher rates but refuses to pay Belarus's oil transport taxes. Fair is fair so if Russia wants to break the old agreement then they should be prepared to pay Belarus's oil transport tax. It is hypocracy to whine when Russia breaks its side of the agreement yet Belarus isn't supposed to do the same. Either the old agreementis good or a new one should be reached and Russia simply cannot refuse to pay the oil transport tax. Russia had refused so Belarus began taking payment in kind by taking oil from the pipeline. If Russia wants to open this can of worms then it must take the downside as well as the upside.Originally posted by Tacc
Russia should be forced to give away its energy for cheap - maybe even below internal Russian prices. After all, anything less is antidemocratic and a distortion of the free market.
Russia, why do you hate freedom?
Personally, I hope western Europe now understands how unreliable Russian energy is and takes immediate action to ween itself from unreliable Russian energy. Nuclear is the only anwser.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.Comment
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Did you read anything in this thread.
Is that a question.Comment
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