Two Bollywood actors kiss on-screen, Indian society crumbles...

[Elok]

Aneeshm, is there anything wrong with your country that you don't blame on Muslims or Western Imperialists (TM)?

And I agree, you're better off not being "like Japan." Bollywood is much better than tentacle-rape. Except I guess if India made dirty cartoons, they'd probably change it to elephant-trunk rape or rock-python rape. Just as bad, though.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Elok
Aneeshm, is there anything wrong with your country that you don't blame on Muslims or Western Imperialists (TM)?

All the problems caused by the Commies, of course.

[aneeshm]

Originally posted by Elok
Aneeshm, is there anything wrong with your country that you don't blame on Muslims or Western Imperialists (TM)?

And I agree, you're better off not being "like Japan." Bollywood is much better than tentacle-rape. Except I guess if India made dirty cartoons, they'd probably change it to elephant-trunk rape or rock-python rape. Just as bad, though.

There is one thing you may not know about me - when I seek the root cause of India's decline, I always maintain that it was our own foolishness which did us in.

We could not accept the fact that lasting change was real, or was possible. We were far too insular and inward-looking. When the paedophile was uniting the tribes of Arabia, we should have seen the threat this would pose and, when the first Arab raid happened, united under a common banner and razed Mecca to the ground. We could never conceive of people so barbaric that they could do what they did here. We always thought that all invaders would follow the rules Indian kings did - no touching temples or their lands, no touching agricluture, no touching intellectuals or Brahmins, and no touching the local administrative structure (all these were left alone, it was usually only the ruling classes which suffered during Indian wars).

We were utterly wrong. We were fools, and we paid for it.

We have to learn to accept that the world is fundamentally a cruel place, that everyone IS out to get you, and that some cultures will always try to kill you, so you have to wait till they are disarmed and then kill THEM.

The average Indian's view of the world is naive and childishly optimistic. They still view things in terms of friend and foe. They are still incapable of understanding that some cultures will NEVER be at peace, and one HAS to crush the other sooner or later. Either we crush the Muslim world the next time they're down, or we get crushed ourselves (as has happened once).


As I said, we were utter fools, and we paid for it. It is in us that the ultimate fault lies - not in the Muslim world, for imperialism and barbarism is in their nature - nor in the Christian world, for it was in their nature, too, until relatively recently (and it won't take much to make it resurface, when the time comes). WE were the foolish ones for not recognising this. WE were foolish for not being united. WE were the foolish ones for believing that the good guys win. WE were foolish in not learning the lessons of the Mahabharat, and for not learning from the architect of India's first great empire, Chanakya.

The root cause lies in us, for the world never changes, and will never change. It is we who have to adapt to it, barbaric as the rest of the world may seem.

[DaShi]

Originally posted by Cort Haus


Crap trolling, and you keep going all thread.

Pretty good, since he echo'd what I said in the above post precisely. The only difference was that I was joking/trolling, he's serious.

[aneeshm]

What precisely did I say? I said that in the final analysis, it was our fault, not that of other people. It is human nature to horrible towards each other. It's our job to ensure that we have to be strong enough to make sure nobody can be horrible to US.

Don't you get it? I'm fundamentally an introspective person. I look for what WE have to change in OURSELVES to cope with outside problems. That has always been the approach. When everything is considered, blame cannot be doled out to others, because we are the architects of our own destiny. If others are essentially barbarians, so be it. It is WE who have to adopt. We cannot go around blaming the world for our situation.

[DaShi]

Well, your main problem is that you automatically consider other races and nations as barbarians. No one has a clean past. And those nations who are quick to call others barbarians are the quickest to have the dirtiest.

Now in aneeshm, I understand that you probably represent a minority in India, because I've met a quite a few Indians in my field and they've all been swell chaps. But your attitude is exactly what drove Japan to rape Asia, Britain to conquer the world, Hitler to run over Europe, and Mohammad to convert the unclean. This attitude is not going help India. It will only breed hatred, arrogance and eventually horrible destruction. These are not qualities of a Hindu.

[VetLegion]

We have to learn to accept that the world is fundamentally a cruel place, that everyone IS out to get you, and that some cultures will always try to kill you, so you have to wait till they are disarmed and then kill THEM.

Them are fighting words!
With a bit of precaution built in

[Sandman]

It will only breed hatred, arrogance and eventually horrible destruction.

It's nationalism. What do you expect of someone who gets angry over events that took place half a millennium ago?

[Q Classic]

"Doom 2 lowered the dignity of Indian women and gave an obscene message to India's youth".

I had no idea that Doom did so well in India they decided to make a sequel.

Also, yay for the two Bollywood actors I've heard of. Wasn't that Roshan guy in that Krissh movie that was all over Time and Newsweek and what not? SuperIndian or some such.

[Q Classic]

Originally posted by aneeshm
It would have been much easier to pick up something like a lesbian kiss. Maybe he picked this one because it's just a big hit, I guess.

Or, maybe he got his rocks off on the lesbian kiss, so wasn't offended.

He wanted to see some Rai-on-Rai action, without a dude getting in the way.

[Q Classic]

Originally posted by aneeshm
In fact, we could have been said to be the opposite when it comes to aggression - we'd probably have been the peacekeeper in the subcontinent.

Yes. Right. Just like how in SMAC, the Peacekeepers were anything but. Or how America is one of the leading peacekeeping nations.

[aneeshm]

Originally posted by Sandman


It's nationalism. What do you expect of someone who gets angry over events that took place half a millennium ago?

The point, my dear man, is that those events affect my life RIGHT NOW!

[aneeshm]

Originally posted by DaShi

Well, your main problem is that you automatically consider other races and nations as barbarians. No one has a clean past. And those nations who are quick to call others barbarians are the quickest to have the dirtiest.

Please give me a list of the people we invaded and tried to impose our culture on.

I'm not saying that all other nations or cultures are barbarians, I am merely saying that we have to work under the assumption that given a chance, that is the way they will behave with us. That is how history works, usually.

Originally posted by DaShi

Now in aneeshm, I understand that you probably represent a minority in India, because I've met a quite a few Indians in my field and they've all been swell chaps.

If you met me in person, you'd think I was one of those swell chaps. My online persona and my real life persona are completely different and divorced from each other.

Originally posted by DaShi

But your attitude is exactly what drove Japan to rape Asia, Britain to conquer the world, Hitler to run over Europe, and Mohammad to convert the unclean. This attitude is not going help India. It will only breed hatred, arrogance and eventually horrible destruction. These are not qualities of a Hindu.

This is a peculiarity of India - we gave the foreigners their due when they came with benign intent, but later a hatred of everything foreign crept it. That's not good - we should not be afraid to adopt that which is good from other people. There is that shloka which praises the Greeks, saying that even though they are mlechchas, they are still the people who laid the foundation of astronomy.

This attitude is what we have always historically had, and the dilution of which led to our decline. Only in our case, it led to the opposite conclusion - that if outsiders are so unclean or bad, why even defile yourself by associating with them? What's the point of invading or trying to civilise people who can't or won't learn? No point at all! So Indian kings tended to (overwhelmingly) remain content with India's natural borders. There were exceptions (like the Chola kings), but again, as I said, they were exceptions.

Another curiosity is that this never led to discrimination - Chinese monks who came to study Buddhism in India never wrote about any unfair or unequal treatment they received here. Nor did other travel authors have anything negative to say about the hospitality their received at Indian hands.

As for breeding arrogance and destruction - that's already happened once. We became far too arrogant, and that was our downfall.






My point about naivete stands, however. Indians have this bad habit of viewing the world as a fundamentally good place. Has history taught them nothing? Has the Mahabharat taught them nothing? Has Chanakya taught them nothing? The most ruthless people win, then write history to suit themselves.

[Q Classic]

aneeshm, the Indian UR.

[Lazerus]

I want to join his cult, it sounds like a bunch of swell chaps.