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    Homeland Security opening private mail
    Retired professor confused, angered when letter from abroad is opened
    By Brock N. Meeks
    Chief Washington correspondent
    MSNBC
    Updated: 5:55 p.m. ET Jan. 6, 2006

    WASHINGTON - In the 50 years that Grant Goodman has known and corresponded with a colleague in the Philippines he never had any reason to suspect that their friendship was anything but spectacularly ordinary.

    But now he believes that the relationship has somehow sparked the interest of the Department of Homeland Security and led the agency to place him under surveillance.

    Last month Goodman, an 81-year-old retired University of Kansas history professor, received a letter from his friend in the Philippines that had been opened and resealed with a strip of dark green tape bearing the words ?by Border Protection? and carrying the official Homeland Security seal.

    ?I had no idea (Homeland Security) would open personal letters,? Goodman told MSNBC.com in a phone interview. ?That?s why I alerted the media. I thought it should be known publicly that this is going on,? he said. Goodman originally showed the letter to his own local newspaper, the Kansas-based Lawrence Journal-World.

    ?I was shocked and there was a certain degree of disbelief in the beginning,? Goodman said when he noticed the letter had been tampered with, adding that he felt his privacy had been invaded. ?I think I must be under some kind of surveillance.?

    Goodman is no stranger to mail snooping; as an officer during World War II he was responsible for reading all outgoing mail of the men in his command and censoring any passages that might provide clues as to his unit?s position. ?But we didn?t do it as clumsily as they?ve done it, I can tell you that,? Goodman noted, with no small amount of irony in his voice. ?Isn?t it funny that this doesn?t appear to be any kind of surreptitious effort here,? he said.

    The letter comes from a retired Filipino history professor; Goodman declined to identify her. And although the Philippines is on the U.S. government?s radar screen as a potential spawning ground for Muslim-related terrorism, Goodman said his friend is a devout Catholic and not given to supporting such causes.

    A spokesman for the Customs and Border Protection division said he couldn?t speak directly to Goodman?s case but acknowledged that the agency can, will and does open mail coming to U.S. citizens that originates from a foreign country whenever it?s deemed necessary.

    ?All mail originating outside the United States Customs territory that is to be delivered inside the U.S. Customs territory is subject to Customs examination,? says the CBP Web site. That includes personal correspondence. ?All mail means ?all mail,?? said John Mohan, a CBP spokesman, emphasizing the point.

    ?This process isn?t something we?re trying to hide,? Mohan said, noting the wording on the agency?s Web site. ?We?ve had this authority since before the Department of Homeland Security was created,? Mohan said.

    However, Mohan declined to outline what criteria are used to determine when a piece of personal correspondence should be opened, but said, ?obviously it?s a security-related criteria.?

    Mohan also declined to say how often or in what volume CBP might be opening mail. ?All I can really say is that Customs and Border Protection does undertake [opening mail] when it is determined to be necessary,? he said.
    ? 2006 MSNBC Interactive

    ? 2006 MSNBC.com


    I remember a time when you couldn't open other people's mail without a search warrant. It's just another bit of our freedom being unnecessarily given away to the paranoia of the Bush administration. When will this all stop?
    Last edited by Dinner; January 5, 2007, 13:15.
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    When Americans start caring, it will stop.
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    Long live teh paranoia smiley!

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    • #3
      Re: Loose Letters Sink ... Freedom?

      Originally posted by Oerdin
      I remember a time when you couldn't open other people's mail without a search warrent. It's just another bit of our freedom being unnecisarially given away to the paronia of the Bush administration. When will this all stop?
      Please don't make it stop
      THEY!!111 OMG WTF LOL LET DA NOMADS AND TEH S3D3NTARY PEOPLA BOTH MAEK BITER AXP3REINCES
      AND TEH GRAAT SINS OF THERE [DOCTRINAL] INOVATIONS BQU3ATH3D SMAL
      AND!!1!11!!! LOL JUST IN CAES A DISPUTANT CALS U 2 DISPUT3 ABOUT THEYRE CLAMES
      DO NOT THAN DISPUT3 ON THEM 3XCAPT BY WAY OF AN 3XTARNAL DISPUTA!!!!11!! WTF

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      • #4
        Amendment IV

        The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
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        • #5
          Re: Re: Loose Letters Sink ... Freedom?

          Originally posted by LordShiva

          Please don't make it stop
          Nobody likes a spelling Nazi.
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          • #6
            LordShiva should open our mail to ensure that all the spelling is correct.
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            • #7
              You misunderstand. I find it extremely endearing.
              THEY!!111 OMG WTF LOL LET DA NOMADS AND TEH S3D3NTARY PEOPLA BOTH MAEK BITER AXP3REINCES
              AND TEH GRAAT SINS OF THERE [DOCTRINAL] INOVATIONS BQU3ATH3D SMAL
              AND!!1!11!!! LOL JUST IN CAES A DISPUTANT CALS U 2 DISPUT3 ABOUT THEYRE CLAMES
              DO NOT THAN DISPUT3 ON THEM 3XCAPT BY WAY OF AN 3XTARNAL DISPUTA!!!!11!! WTF

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              • #8
                I thought for sure this was going to be brought up a few days earlier in the form of this article

                W pushes envelope on U.S. spying

                New postal law lets Bush peek through your mail



                BY JAMES GORDON MEEK
                DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU


                President Bush added a "signing statement" in recently passed postal reform bill that may give him new powers to pry into your mail - without a warrant.

                WASHINGTON - President Bush has quietly claimed sweeping new powers to open Americans' mail without a judge's warrant, the Daily News has learned.
                The President asserted his new authority when he signed a postal reform bill into law on Dec. 20. Bush then issued a "signing statement" that declared his right to open people's mail under emergency conditions.

                That claim is contrary to existing law and contradicted the bill he had just signed, say experts who have reviewed it.

                Bush's move came during the winter congressional recess and a year after his secret domestic electronic eavesdropping program was first revealed. It caught Capitol Hill by surprise.

                "Despite the President's statement that he may be able to circumvent a basic privacy protection, the new postal law continues to prohibit the government from snooping into people's mail without a warrant," said Rep. Henry Waxman (D-Calif.), the incoming House Government Reform Committee chairman, who co-sponsored the bill.

                Experts said the new powers could be easily abused and used to vacuum up large amounts of mail.

                "The [Bush] signing statement claims authority to open domestic mail without a warrant, and that would be new and quite alarming," said Kate Martin, director of the Center for National Security Studies in Washington.

                "The danger is they're reading Americans' mail," she said.

                "You have to be concerned," agreed a career senior U.S. official who reviewed the legal underpinnings of Bush's claim. "It takes Executive Branch authority beyond anything we've ever known."

                A top Senate Intelligence Committee aide promised, "It's something we're going to look into."

                Most of the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act deals with mundane reform measures. But it also explicitly reinforced protections of first-class mail from searches without a court's approval.

                Yet in his statement Bush said he will "construe" an exception, "which provides for opening of an item of a class of mail otherwise sealed against inspection in a manner consistent ... with the need to conduct searches in exigent circumstances."

                Bush cited as examples the need to "protect human life and safety against hazardous materials and the need for physical searches specifically authorized by law for foreign intelligence collection."

                White House spokeswoman Emily Lawrimore denied Bush was claiming any new authority.

                "In certain circumstances - such as with the proverbial 'ticking bomb' - the Constitution does not require warrants for reasonable searches," she said.

                Bush, however, cited "exigent circumstances" which could refer to an imminent danger or a longstanding state of emergency.

                Critics point out the administration could quickly get a warrant from a criminal court or a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court judge to search targeted mail, and the Postal Service could block delivery in the meantime.

                But the Bush White House appears to be taking no chances on a judge saying no while a terror attack is looming, national security experts agreed.

                Martin said that Bush is "using the same legal reasoning to justify warrantless opening of domestic mail" as he did with warrantless eavesdropping.

                Originally published on January 4, 2007
                "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

                “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Tacc
                  LordShiva should open our mail to ensure that all the spelling is correct.

                  You surely realize the tragedy of an Indian giving grammar advices to a mother-tongue English speaker
                  I will never understand why some people on Apolyton find you so clever. You're predictable, mundane, and a google-whore and the most observant of us all know this. Your battles of "wits" rely on obscurity and whenever you fail to find something sufficiently obscure, like this, you just act like a 5 year old. Congratulations, molly.

                  Asher on molly bloom

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                  • #10
                    W pushes envelope on U.S. spying


                    lol LOL
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by LordShiva
                      You are misunderstanding. I am finding it extremely endearing.
                      fixed
                      Eventis is the only refuge of the spammer. Join us now.
                      Long live teh paranoia smiley!

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                      • #12
                        Re: Loose Letters Sink ... Freedom?

                        Originally posted by Oerdin

                        I remember a time when you couldn't open other people's mail without a search warrant. It's just another bit of our freedom being unnecessarily given away to the paranoia of the Bush administration. When will this all stop?


                        I seriously doubt that you can remember such a time - they probably have had such right since the creation of Customs.
                        With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

                        Steven Weinberg

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                        • #13
                          As for the instance in question I believe there has always been provisions for searches for incoming mail/postage/packages across the national boundaries.
                          "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

                          “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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                          • #14
                            Ah... this reminds me of the old days living under communism.
                            "The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists."
                            -Joan Robinson

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                            • #15
                              ****ing hell.

                              Not that I write letters (on actual, you know, like, paper), but still!

                              They're reading our email too, no doubt.

                              -Arrian
                              grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                              The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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