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    I'm very disappointed with the lack of ambition displayed by the new Democratic congressional majority and President Bush in bringing the budget to balance. As the WaPo article quoted below states, both now agree to work toward a balanced budget by 2012.

    To be clear, I don't think the deficit is much of a problem, per se. In relation to the overall economy, it is quite manageable. But truth be told, with just a little bit of ambition, we could bring the budget to rough balance in 2 years. Five years (to 2012) is damn near forever, especially considering that the deficit right now is due mostly to two non-recurring items: the War on Terror and Katrina rebuilding. So basically, everybody in Washington is saying that the goal is the status quo.

    Having a balanced budget isn't the be-all-end-all of economic life, and is dwarfed in importance by the amount of government spending. But it seems to make sense to have a budget roughly in balance when we can. Certainly, now is such a time. Our gross debt is about 63% of our economy. Not a particularly worrisome figure, but it's way too high for my tastes, with somewhat unfavorable demographics in our country's future.

    Bush Signals Budget Accord
    New Plan to Mirror Democrats' Goals

    By Peter Baker
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Thursday, January 4, 2007; A01

    President Bush promised yesterday to produce a plan to balance the federal budget in five years and challenged lawmakers to slash their special pet projects in half next year, embracing priorities of the new Democratic leadership that will assume control of Congress today.

    Appearing in the Rose Garden with his Cabinet, Bush said he has been encouraged by meetings with Democrats and thinks they can reach common ground on spending issues that have bitterly divided them for six years. He said that the budget proposal he will make Feb. 5 will erase the deficit by 2012, and he called on Congress "to end the dead-of-the-night" process in which earmarks are slipped into spending bills.

    The president's announcements were greeted by Democrats as "me-tooism," as one senior leadership aide put it, that closely tracked goals outlined by the new majority. The incoming House and Senate budget committee chairmen have set 2012 as a target for balancing the budget, and the incoming House and Senate appropriations chairmen have decided to freeze earmarks this year and introduce further restrictions on such spending items, which are often called pork.

    In trying to adopt such ambitions as his own, Bush hopes to regain the initiative after his party lost Congress in November and to counter his reputation as a president who took a budget surplus and turned it into record deficits, analysts said. Bush has never proposed a balanced budget since it went into deficit, never vetoed a spending bill when Republicans controlled Congress and offered little sustained objection to earmarks until the issue gained political traction last year.

    But now for the first time since he took office, both parties have set a mutual target for eliminating the deficit -- an implicit agreement that raises the profile of the issue and may create a political imperative that prods the two sides to find ways to meet the goal or be held accountable for failing.

    "We've all been entrusted with public office at a momentous time in our nation's history," Bush said. "And together we have important things to do. It's time to set aside politics and focus on the future."

    Rob Portman, director of the White House Office of Management and Budget, made a point of calling Democratic leaders Tuesday night to preview the president's remarks. In an interview yesterday, he said the shared target was a powerful signal of progress.

    "It makes a huge difference," he said. "It's good news for the taxpayers that you have both parties working toward the same goal."

    They remain far apart, however, on how to get there, with Bush insisting yesterday that his tax cuts be made permanent and Democrats laying the groundwork for reversing some of those for the wealthiest taxpayers. Democrats responded to Bush's comments with deep skepticism. "It's real hard to look at the man's record and take him seriously on these issues," Kent Conrad (N.D.), the incoming Senate Budget Committee chairman, said in an interview. "He's got a lot to prove. Talk is cheap."

    Bruce Reed, president of the Democratic Leadership Council and an aide to President Bill Clinton, said Bush must abandon some red-line positions to reach genuine agreement with Congress. "For Bush to announce that he shares Democrats' willingness to cut the deficit by 2012 doesn't mean a heck of a lot if he's ruling out any of the ways that Democrats want to get there," Reed said.

    The dialogue on the eve of a new Democratic Congress felt reminiscent of 1995, when Clinton and new House Speaker Newt Gingrich (Ga.) jousted over balancing the budget. Gingrich and his Republicans vowed to eliminate the deficit in seven years; Clinton initially resisted, then announced his own 10-year balanced-budget plan. It took until 1997 for them to settle on a five-year balanced budget.

    The deficit disappeared sooner than that, and when Clinton left office the nation had its first surplus in three decades. But fiscal fortunes took a turn under Bush as he ushered in huge tax cuts, an early recession took its toll and the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, prompted a wave of new spending on the military and homeland defense.

    After the deficit spiraled to a record $413 billion in 2004, Bush promised to cut it in half within five years. Using as a starting point a higher projection that the deficit never reached, Bush achieved his goal last year when the deficit fell to $248 billion on the strength of better-than-expected revenue. Bush credits his tax cuts with spurring the economy and in turn producing more tax receipts.

    But the government has spent more than $500 billion so far on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and counterterrorism operations elsewhere, and Bush plans to submit a new supplemental spending request at the same time he announces his regular budget next month, possibly near $100 billion.

    Portman said that although war costs are appropriated separately, they will be counted in terms of balancing the budget by 2012. He offered no details about how Bush will accomplish that, other than saying that no tax increases will be included. Bush's past two budgets have frozen or even reduced non-security discretionary spending.

    "It's going to require spending discipline," Portman said. "We've done a better job the last couple years."

    Bush took aim at congressional perks as part of his message of fiscal discipline, praising Democrats for imposing a one-year moratorium on earmarks, proposing that they cut them in half next year and suggesting that the process be more transparent.

    "One important message we all should take from the elections is that people want to end the secretive process by which Washington insiders are able to get billions of dollars directed to projects," he said. He also called again for a line-item veto.

    Democrats plan to introduce legislation requiring lawmakers to attach their names to earmarks and to certify that such spending items would not financially benefit them or their spouses. "Given the track record of this administration, the last person in the universe who should lecture the Congress on fiscal responsibility is George Bush," said incoming House Appropriations Committee Chairman David R. Obey (D-Wis.).

    Brian M. Riedl, an analyst at the Heritage Foundation, said the discussion of earmarks and a 2012 balanced budget will mean little unless Bush and Democrats tackle entitlements. With the cost of Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid on the rise, Riedl said he projects the annual deficit will grow to $750 billion in 10 years. "The reduced deficit of the last two years looks more like a short-term blip than a long-term trend," he said.
    Last edited by DanS; January 4, 2007, 10:54.
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    WoT is non-recurring? Heh. Says the Republican.

    As for the rest, I agree with you, except I'm generally more concerned with deficits and debt than you are. So a more ambitious plan to cut down on those things would be welcomed by me.

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    • #3
      I am rather unsurprised. The Dems strategy has been to figure on expiration of tax cuts in order to allow 'long overdue' return of entitlement spending.

      My presonal fave in the article is this gem

      The deficit disappeared sooner than that, and when Clinton left office the nation had its first surplus in three decades. But fiscal fortunes took a turn under Bush as he ushered in huge tax cuts, an early recession took its toll and the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, prompted a wave of new spending on the military and homeland defense.
      The order of course being tax cuts being first and foremost the issue, a recession (no mention of it being deepened by 9/11 attacks or for that matter ocurring jsut as Bush enterred office) and then new spendings on military(presumably including Iraq) and homeland defense. No mention of massive entitlement spending for Senior prescription bennies or Katrina expenses, or for that
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Arrian
        WoT is non-recurring? Heh. Says the Republican.
        Eventually, our troops will come home. Prescription drug benefits last forever.

        As for the rest, I agree with you, except I'm generally more concerned with deficits and debt than you are. So a more ambitious plan to cut down on those things would be welcomed by me.

        -Arrian
        The level of spending dwarfs the deficit/debt in importance.
        I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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        • #5
          Meh. Letting Bush's tax cuts expire (which would be pretty much mandated under the new regime's PAYGO rules) in a few years should almost entirely wipe out the deficit.
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          • #6
            Re: Unambitious budget is disappointing

            Originally posted by DanS
            Our gross debt is about 63% of our economy. Not a particularly worrisome figure, but it's way too high for my tastes, with somewhat unfavorable demographics in our country's future.
            That worries me. 30% is management for most large, developed countries. 40% or even 50% might be for the US. But 63% seems a little too high to me not to be worried.

            Originally posted by DanS
            Eventually, our troops will come home. Prescription drug benefits last forever.
            From he who says
            Five years (to 2012) is damn near forever


            And benefits only last as long as they're in legislature. All it takes is someone to either remove them or just underfund them for them to disappear.

            If the WoT drags on, it will continue to cost a lot. Prescription drugs benefits cost a few million. Wars cost billions upon billions. You could have probably has prescription drugs benefits for more than a century for the cost of the war in Iraq.

            I agree with your original commentary though, it's a reasonable plan but a bit more ambition to reduce the deficit would be good. You'll need it, if the wars drag on.
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            • #7
              Re: Unambitious budget is disappointing

              Originally posted by DanS
              So basically, everybody in Washington is saying that the goal is the status quo.
              Bush won't sign any new tax increases.
              The Dems won't permit any new tax cuts.
              Presto: Status quo.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Ramo
                Meh. Letting Bush's tax cuts expire (which would be pretty much mandated under the new regime's PAYGO rules) in a few years should almost entirely wipe out the deficit.
                Nope. Not when the intent is increased entitlement spending.
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                “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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                • #9
                  Is it?
                  Or is their primary intent to balance the buget using pay-as-you-go principles?

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                  • #10
                    Any new entitlement programs would have to be funded by either spending cuts or tax increases, so ought to be deficit-neutral.
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                    • #11
                      Really what legislation/house/senate rules provide for that?
                      "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

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                      • #12
                        Re: Re: Unambitious budget is disappointing

                        Originally posted by Zkribbler


                        Bush won't sign any new tax increases.
                        The Dems won't permit any new tax cuts.
                        Presto: Status quo.
                        Dems don't need to do anything. Simply let the tax cut provisions die on the vine by not renewing them. Presto instant tax increase.

                        Presto instantly more money to spend for entitlements. Its all about 2008.
                        "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

                        “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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                        • #13
                          PAYGO. Republicans in Congress got rid of it, but Pelosi's bringing it back.
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                          • #14
                            Presto instantly more money to spend for entitlements. Its all about 2008.
                            Unless the tax cut expirations bring us out of the red by a substantial amount, any new entitlements would need funding by pay-as-you-go rules.
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                            • #15
                              The closing of the deficit was almost entirely a result of the good economy in the 90s. Part of that genuine, but much bubble related.

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