A Hindu view of Christianity

[Fake Boris]

I read some of it. You shouldn't judge the guy on his intro, it's FOS. The rest gets better. I had no idea this kind of thought existed in Hinduism.

[KrazyHorse]

All the different religions which grew among different nations under varying circumstances and conditions had their origin in Asia, and the Asiatics understand them well. When they came out from the motherland, they got mixed up with errors. The most profound and noble ideas of Christianity were never understood in Europe, because the ideas and images used by the writers of the Bible were foreign to it.

That's rich. Hate to tell you this boyo, but the Levant was part of the Mediterranean world, not the Indian one. Grouping them together as all part of "Asia" is disingenuous. The Western world is the cultural inheritor of the classical world. We have far more connection to its religions than does some random Indian numbskull.

[CrONoS]

Excellent text Aneeshm

I would recommend you to read a book wrote by René Guénon, he wrote many books about hinduism, islam and christian esoterism. He was french mathematician, converted to islam sufi and when his wife died he settled to Cairo in Egypt.

About the concept of transmigration of souls; LOTM is right, the concept of transmigration of souls was known and believed by some jewish "sects" during the times Jesus lived.

[GePap]

The only value of this thread is to see different religions coming together in common misunderstanding. I think there are far too many "science vs. religion" and not enough confrontation between religions. Where has the passion gone to attack not only infidels, but also pagans, heathens, and heretics?

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
i wuz thinking of posting about the new Conservative Jewish position on gay marriage, but thought its too convoluted, and not of interest to many people here so I shouldnt. Then I saw this.

Actually your posts about Jewish theology are usually pretty interesting.

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by cronos_qc
Excellent text Aneeshm

I would recommend you to read a book wrote by René Guénon, he wrote many books about hinduism, islam and christian esoterism. He was french mathematician, converted to islam sufi and when his wife died he settled to Cairo in Egypt.

About the concept of transmigration of souls; LOTM is right, the concept of transmigration of souls was known and believed by some jewish "sects" during the times Jesus lived.

I am not at all sure Khabbala (sp?) was arround 2000 years ago.

JM

[aneeshm]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse

All the different religions which grew among different nations under varying circumstances and conditions had their origin in Asia, and the Asiatics understand them well. When they came out from the motherland, they got mixed up with errors. The most profound and noble ideas of Christianity were never understood in Europe, because the ideas and images used by the writers of the Bible were foreign to it.

That's rich. Hate to tell you this boyo, but the Levant was part of the Mediterranean world, not the Indian one. Grouping them together as all part of "Asia" is disingenuous. The Western world is the cultural inheritor of the classical world. We have far more connection to its religions than does some random Indian numbskull.

You need to learn how to be civil and polite, KH. I would treat your viewpoint with more respect if you did not indulge in throwing around insults. I try to respect others, even the people with whom I disagree vehemently, and I expect the same courtesy in return. Discussion is not possible otherwise.

Mend your ways.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
That's rich. Hate to tell you this boyo, but the Levant was part of the Mediterranean world, not the Indian one. Grouping them together as all part of "Asia" is disingenuous. The Western world is the cultural inheritor of the classical world. We have far more connection to its religions than does some random Indian numbskull.

A significant part of religious wisdom in the Levant, at the time of Jesus, was inherited from Persia and India. India is a very old culture, and just because you're a Westernocentric bigot doesn't mean its culture didn't spread and enjoy a great influence, the same way the Greek did at the time of Alexander.

[Fake Boris]

As for Christ's message not being understood by Christian followers, it's not a new idea - it does exist within our own theological corpus. Sure, there are many retarded versions of this theory (mostly being relayed by sects). But the guy's arguments are strikingly similar to those of Nietzsche and Spinoza, who're certainly not known to have been clueless types.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by aneeshm


You need to learn how to be civil and polite, KH

a) I know how to be polite. I simply often choose not to be.

b) Even if I didn't I wouldn't "need" to do any such thing.



Oh, and I also note that I didn't insult you once during this thread. The "Indian numbskull" I referred o was the originator of that tripe, not its poster.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris


A significant part of religious wisdom in the Levant, at the time of Jesus, was inherited from Persia and India. India is a very old culture, and just because you're a Westernocentric bigot doesn't mean its culture didn't spread and enjoy a great influence, the same way the Greek did at the time of Alexander.

Listen. I'm not claiming that Indian ideas had no effect on religion in the region. That would be ridiculous. But the Western world is a direct inheritor of the Mediterranean culture, of which the Levant formed a part. Arabic culture may also be considered as such.

Indian culture, on the other hand, is at least one step (and possibly two) further removed from this culture. To claim that the West has less understanding of a religion which formed part of its cultural foundation than does a place to whom this religion was merely a minor contributor is stupid.

Incidentally, this is a statement about how weak (culturally) Europe was at the time and how strong India was. This is not a statement about the superiority or importance of Western culture. Quite the opposite...

[CrONoS]

Originally posted by Jon Miller


I am not at all sure Khabbala (sp?) was arround 2000 years ago.

JM

I don't know if there was an oral transmission of the Kabbalah(even if I believe there was) during the time of Jesus, but maybe there was a "pre-kabbalah" systems during his times. The Revelation of John us using many "esoterics" symbols who make me thinks Kabbalah was maybe there during the times of Jesus.

As for the transmigration of souls, I said, many Jewish sects was believing in the concept of the transmigrations of souls, I do not remember which one; I'm think it was the essenians.

[Jon Miller]

The Revelation of John seems to use symbols related to Greek Mysticism, not Indian.

JM
(edit: is possibly related to Greek Mysticism. The same would likely be true of Jewish subgroups, since the Greeks had been dominant culturally for 100s of years)

[CrONoS]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
The Revelation of John seems to use symbols related to Greek Mysticism, not Indian.

JM
(edit: is possibly related to Greek Mysticism. The same would likely be true of Jewish subgroups, since the Greeks had been dominant culturally for 100s of years)

I don't know if kabbalah is having more elements from Greek mysticism than from other mysticism. (Surely not from Indians, but from egyptians). Or that the books of John is mostly using greek symbolism? But they are some astrological symbols used in the books of John, I'm not sure astrology is coming from the greeks.

[CrONoS]

About Kabbalah:

http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9044253/Kabbala

"The earliest roots of Kabbala are traced to Merkava mysticism. It began to flourish in Palestine in the 1st century AD and had as its main concern ecstatic and mystical contemplation of the divine throne, or “chariot” (merkava), seen in a vision by Ezekiel, the prophet (Ezekiel 1). The earliest known Jewish text on magic and cosmology, Sefer Yetzira (“Book of Creation”), appeared sometime between the 3rd and the 6th century. It explained creation as a process involving the 10 divine numbers (sefirot; see sefira) of God the Creator and the 22 letters of the Hebrew alphabet. Taken together, they were said to constitute the “32 paths of secret wisdom.”