Saddam has been executed

[SlowwHand]

Rather than listen to the wailing, I'll go to bed and have nightmares over the USA's bad conduct.

[laurentius]

Originally posted by LordShiva

Sorry I wasent more clear on this...its not supposed to depreciate Asian civilisations or anything of that sort. I'm Just pointing out that in a Christian country its considered barbaric. While some Asian societies have no problems with DP or vendetta. I cant say I approve but they have different moral codex as well.

[TCO]

Originally posted by LordShiva
Me neither

Do you read Sanskrit?

[Jack_www]

Originally posted by laurentius


My point is that every live lost is a loss. Only God has the right to decide who comes and who goes. The victims should never get their revenge. Thats not what the Western Justice System is built on.

Revenge and vendetta belong to a precivilised/Oriental societies. Like the US.

The same could be said for people on Apolyton who would rather tourture Saddam for the rest of his life. Some feel like taking revenge on him, but they should not stop him from being punnished for his crimes. Any punishment could be seen as taking revenge. In fact some family victoms sometimes dont want the murder to be executed. Even when the US puts people to death for murder it has nothing to do with revenge. The jury and other members of the court involved in the trail have no personal connection to the victoms or the criminal, so how could they be taking revenge?

[LordShiva]

Originally posted by TCO
Do you read Sanskrit?

I can read it, but not necessarily understand what I read.

[SlowwHand]

Originally posted by laurentius


Sorry I wasent more clear on this...its not supposed to depreciate Asian civilisations or anything of that sort. I'm Just pointing out that in a Christian country its considered barbaric. While some Asian societies have no problems with DP or vendetta. I cant say I approve but they have different moral codex as well.

Name one. Goodnight.

[Jack_www]

Originally posted by Sava
Putting a guy in a cage until he grows old and dies is still a death sentence. It just takes longer. I don't know why anti-DP people pretend that "life" sentences aren't death sentences.

It seems to me, keeping someone locked up in a cage for decades just waiting for them to die "naturally" is more barbaric than just killing them.

I find it a bit hypocritical that some people have called America barbaric and whatnot, but yet are claiming Saddam should be locked up indefinitely so he can suffer more. Wanting someone to suffer more... that sounds... barbaric...

Saddam is dead. I'm not celebrating. I don't really care.

But I fail to see the problem with killing him. He was certainly an evil guy. There's no reason to keep him alive so he can grow old and die in prison. Just kill him and move on.

I don't see the big deal. Everybody dies.

The problem, as I see it, is that so many of the people who helped put Saddam in power, helped support his reign of terror, and share a great deal of responsibility for a lot of the things Saddam did aren't swinging up there with him. Unfortunately, many of those people are holding prominent positions of power in government.

I don't have a problem with killing Saddam. I have a problem with the hypocrisy surrounding this whole ****ing mess.

I couldn't agree more.

[TCO]

Originally posted by LordShiva


I can read it, but not necessarily understand what I read.

I'm actually reading a book of all the world's languages. Sanskrit has some similarities to Gothic. It is an Indo-European language.

[LordShiva]

Originally posted by TCO
I'm actually reading a book of all the world's languages. Sanskrit has some similarities to Gothic. It is an Indo-European language.

I thought it's closer to Latin.

[TCO]

Originally posted by LordShiva


I thought it's closer to Latin.

Right you are. They have similar grammars as well as some sound patterns in the simple words (animal names and such).

[TCO]

What's the script like?

[Sava]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
Rather than listen to the wailing, I'll go to bed and have nightmares over the USA's bad conduct.

You're missing the point. The point isn't that "America is bad... blah blah blah"

The point is that the same stupid idiots that thought it was a good idea to finance Saddam and Osama bin Laden are the same dumbasses that are running the war in Iraq. These people have been screwing up for the past 30 years making horrible foreign policy decisions that have put our country in some serious sh1t. Now nearly 50 years after the CIA first started using Saddam as an asset, a US supported Iraqi interim government hangs him.

The Shias and Sunnis are in a civil war... Iran hates us. The region is more unstable than ever... 9-11... I mean... talk about blowback.

Where is the accountability?

The same people who have been screwing up for decades are still screwing up and I'm watching things just get worse and worse. This is not just about "America being bad". It's about people in government who need to get their asses fired. It's about sending guys like Cheney and Rumsfeld home for good. It's about getting rid of the Bush administration (and this awful Iraq policy) and getting the **** outta dodge.

We've got to pick our battles, and Iraq is not a hill I want to die on.

[laurentius]

Originally posted by Jack_www


The same could be said for people on Apolyton who would rather tourture Saddam for the rest of his life. Some feel like taking revenge on him, but they should not stop him from being punnished for his crimes. Any punishment could be seen as taking revenge. In fact some family victoms sometimes dont want the murder to be executed. Even when the US puts people to death for murder it has nothing to do with revenge. The jury and other members of the court involved in the trail have no personal connection to the victoms or the criminal, so how could they be taking revenge?

Personally I would have like to see the Iraqi President Mr. Hussein spending the rest of his life in some European prison like in Sweden after being given a fair trial at the Int. War Crimes Tribunal in the Hague. Instead of some US backed kangaroo court wielding winners justice on him. Did you ****ing heard the guards were dancing around his body chanting shia slogans....Jesus. Thats just unbelievable for us.

Murdering someone for the crimes he may have conducted is always a crime and will be judged as a crime by the future generations. Especially when a legal President of a Sovereign country is put to death like this without a free trial by the invaders.

A life in prison in Sweden should have been enough of a sentence for him.

[Jack_www]

Originally posted by laurentius


Personally I would have like to see the Iraqi President Mr. Hussein spending the rest of his life in some European prison like in Sweden after being given a fair trial at the Int. War Crimes Tribunal in the Hague. Instead of some US backed kangaroo court wielding winners justice on him. Did you ****ing heard the guards were dancing around his body chanting shia slogans....Jesus. Thats just unbelievable for us.

I kind of understand how they feel. Saddam tourture and murdered Iraqies everyday of his rule. When he was finally put to death I can see how they would rejoice, but I dont think it is right etheir to take pleasure in the death of anther person.

Murdering someone for the crimes he may have conducted is always a crime and will be judged as a crime by the future generations. Especially when a legal President of a Sovereign country is put to death like this without a free trial by the invaders.

There moutains of proof that Saddam killed hunders of thousands of people in Iraq, it sounds like you are not convinced of his guilt. Not all killing is the same as murdering someone. It is not all the same.

[The Mad Monk]

Someone translated that "low quality video".

SADDAM’S HANGING -- UNCUT

Several hours after Saddam Hussein was hanged this morning in Baghdad, the state-run television channel, Iraqia, began to run edited video, without sound, of the run-up to the hanging. The video shows Saddam being guided up the steps to the top of the gallows, a scarf being put around his neck and then the noose placed over his head and tightened on his neck. Then it stops. This footage, about a minute long, was played and replayed over and over during the day, and quickly found its way onto all major television stations around the world.

Later this evening, another video of the hanging popped up, this time being shown on Al-Jazeera and Arabiya, two Arabic TV channels based in the Gulf. The new video was of poor quality, was very jerky, and had clearly been shot on a cell phone or some similar device from below by one of the two dozen witnesses to the event. It also had sound. The picture it gave of Saddam’s last moments was very different from the edited, silent version that the Iraqi government had released earlier.

There are five men in black face masks who are visible on the gallows platform around Saddam, acting as guards. As they guide him towards the trap door and put the noose over his head, they start chanting religious slogans with the names of Moqtada al Sadr (the head of the Mahdi army, accused of organizing death squads against Sunnis) and Baqr al Sadr (the father-in-law of Moqtada). Saddam, a Sunni, is outraged at this last-minute provocation, and tells them to “go to hell.” This is generally where the two TV stations cut the video, but on at least one occasion that we saw, Arabiya allowed the video to keep rolling: The cell phone camera is jerked down to the ground, as if the person holding it had to conceal the camera, then it is slowly raised up to Saddam again, and suddenly his body shoots down through the trapdoor. At this, the Arabiya anchor came on and made a scissors symbol with two fingers with a mischievous grin on his face, as if to say that they really shouldn’t have shown that, but so be it. A cynical voyeuristic ploy, nudge nudge wink wink…

However, the impact of this video could be quite significant. First, it may reinforce Sunni suspicions that the execution of Saddam was merely an act of Shiite revenge for decades of repression under Saddam. The building where the execution took place was expressly chosen because it was once used as a detention center by a division of Saddam’s secret police that was focused on the Shiite Dawa party. Some of the witnesses whom the government invited to the execution had themselves once been tortured in that same building. Indeed, Prime Minister Maliki, who signed the execution order the day before the hanging, is a long-term member of the Dawa party and had himself been sentenced to death by Saddam back in 1980 before fleeing the country.

Worse, it may also reinforce the fears of Sunnis that Maliki’s government is beholden to the Mahdi army, Moqtada’s militia. Executions are generally expected to be solemn affairs –- certainly not opportunities for thugs to score some final sectarian points before the “enemy” is disposed of. The video itself seems quite distasteful –- but it is informative to the extent that it reveals the political baggage that the current government carries on its shoulders. It does not add up to a pretty picture.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/bizarrebazaar/2006/12/saddams_hanging.html#comment-27102907

This can't be good.