Do You Give to Beggars?

[VetLegion]

Here, which is Europe, much of the begging business is organized too. I've never seen kids with amputated limbs, but there's no doubt about at least some of the beggars being part of larger organizations.

[aneeshm]

Originally posted by Vesayen



Are you ####ING crazy?

Yes, all the worlds beggars are part of one world-wide begging conspiracy, who control the banks,the media and the hungarian clothes-line manufacturing industry, with trillions of dollars invested and all of their effort is to get two dollars in quarters....

YOU MAKE A STAND YOU MORAL CRUSADER! STAND TALL!

Of course continue to buy products made with slave-labor style sweat-shop conditions and eat meat from animals which are tortured and buy unfair-exchange food but no no no, your going to make a STAND! No more! You won't let a handful of bastards trick you into charity!

I salute you ser!

You have no ****ing idea what goes on in India, do you? And I'm a vegetarian, so I don't, in fact, eat meat from tortured animals. And WTF is unfair-exchange food? And WTF are you talking about slave labour? That slave labour allows some of my countrymen in the most depressed areas to have food on the table.

You're an idiot.

[SlowwHand]

WTG, Vesayen. You done gone and pissed off the Indians.
Your ass is grass, buddy.

[Vesayen]

Originally posted by LordShiva


Actually, a lot of the begging in India is indeed run by organised gangs; in the big cities, I'd say almost all of it is (where beggars are assigned to various intersections, and their rights to beg there are guarded by force).

But don't let your ignorance of conditions elsewhere in the world get in the way of your rants. WTF is "unfair-exchange food?"

I am aware it exists in some places. Let's not yet your poor reading comprehension skills get in the....

Originally posted by Vesayen
Yes, all the worlds beggars

[aneeshm]

Originally posted by Vesayen


I am aware it exists in some places. Let's not yet your poor reading comprehension skills get in the....

That's just silly. Seems your flag comprehension skills need to be brushed up on. That idiotic rant you went on was completely asinine, given your ignorance of the Indian situation.

[Vesayen]

Originally posted by aneeshm


That's just silly. Seems your flag comprehension skills need to be brushed up on. That idiotic rant you went on was completely asinine, given your ignorance of the Indian situation.

Organized begging occurs in india, therefore, all begging in india is unworthy of being responded to with charity, is your statement.

Originally posted by aneeshm


You have no fucking idea what goes on in India, do you? And I'm a vegetarian, so I don't, in fact, eat meat from tortured animals. And WTF is unfair-exchange food? And WTF are you talking about slave labour? That slave labour allows some of my countrymen in the most depressed areas to have food on the table.

You're an idiot.

I was unaware you were from India, I assumed you were a generic westener trying to make some moral stand on a pointless issue, while doing immoral practices.

Still however, justifying never giving charity because there are large amounts of fraud involved, is heartless....

Originally posted by aneeshm
I am NOT adding to that. If people simply stopped giving to beggars, it would end.

Yes, because if you never give charity, clearly, all the organized begging will stop-as there is such vast overhead to maintain it, the stock prices and such must be considered-the people running the organized begging systems in some poor areas will of course, invest in other places....? Yes, because organized begging is a high risk system for investors and if it is not consistantly profible... it will stop? Lets not consider the welfare of the kidnapped children mentioned, after all, i'm sure when they take in less money they are not treated even worse.

Of course its so simple! Organized begging is an international corp. and if we boycott it, they'll dissapear! Once they dissapear, beggars who actually need money will need dissapear, brilliant!

The way to get rid of beggars, ignore organized begging so children forced into it are brutalized and ignored lone beggars so they starve to death, no more begging problems!

[SlowwHand]

There but for the grace of God (go I).

[aneeshm]

Originally posted by Vesayen


Organized begging occurs in india, therefore, all begging in india is unworthy of being responded to with charity, is your statement.

All the beggars I'm exposed to are the organised ones. Temple beggars from outside the big temples are sometimes richer than the people they beg from - one woman who used to beg outside a temple donated her savings to the temple, which were enough to renovate some parts of it and construct some new parts. There have been cases of people sending their children through school, college, and sometimes even paying for an education in the USA using funds they got from begging outside the biggest temples. It's like a generational gap - instead of the natural progression of one generation being just literate, the next being school educated, and the third being college graduates, it's straight from illiterate to college educated.

Originally posted by Vesayen

I was unaware you were from India, I assumed you were a generic westener trying to make some moral stand on a pointless issue, while doing immoral practices.

That's why I mentioned the "flag comprehension" bit.

Originally posted by Vesayen

Still however, justifying never giving charity because there are large amounts of fraud involved, is heartless....


Yes, because if you never give charity, clearly, all the organized begging will stop-as there is such vast overhead to maintain it, the stock prices and such must be considered-the people running the organized begging systems in some poor areas will of course, invest in other places....? Of course once they dissapear, the people who actually need it will dissapear too!

On what grounds did you assume that I did not give to charity? In the first place, I'm a student whose expenses are paid for by my parents, so I'm not really expected to do anything until I start earning. But even them, I'm donating some cash to a charity I know is a good one (they have running costs of 7% of donations, which is probably the lowest in the world - they have learnt their organisational skills from the Sangh, so their organisation power is like that of Germans). These people are into making tribals literate. Their goal is that by 2011, they should have 1,00,000 one-man tribal schools open, and by 2020, every tribal and villager of India must be educated. And they're actually succeeding, unlike out pathetic government.

Don't make assumptions about me.

[Dinner]

I'll give a dollar or two if the guy is nice and not being agressive about it.

[Imran Siddiqui]

[q=aneeshm]That's why I mentioned the "flag comprehension" bit.[/q]

So Oerdin is from Ethopia?

[Vesayen]

Originally posted by aneeshm
All the beggars I'm exposed to are the organised ones. Temple beggars from outside the big temples are sometimes richer than the people they beg from - one woman who used to beg outside a temple donated her savings to the temple, which were enough to renovate some parts of it and construct some new parts. There have been cases of people sending their children through school, college, and sometimes even paying for an education in the USA using funds they got from begging outside the biggest temples. It's like a generational gap - instead of the natural progression of one generation being just literate, the next being school educated, and the third being college graduates, it's straight from illiterate to college educated.

So all beggars are wealthy tricksters? There are no actual impovershed people begging? All organized beggars are of course also, wealthy. Nope, no poor people in need of help there.

Originally posted by aneeshm
That's why I mentioned the "flag comprehension" bit.

Not an issue of comprehension, I know the indian flag, I did not look at your icon.

Originally posted by aneeshm
On what grounds did you assume that I did not give to charity?

Because..... you said so?

Originally posted by aneeshm
I make it a point to never give anything to beggars

[aneeshm]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
[q=aneeshm]That's why I mentioned the "flag comprehension" bit.[/q]

So Oerdin is from Ethopia?

The avatar? The username? The signature? My posting history? Hell, the goddamn location field? Doesn't that tell you anything? The flag is the clincher, of course.

[aneeshm]

Originally posted by Vesayen


So all beggars are wealthy tricksters? There are no actual impovershed people begging? All organized beggars are of course also, wealthy. Nope, no poor people in need of help there.

No impoverished beggars who I come in contact with in the city. Seems you missed that bit.

Originally posted by Vesayen

Not an issue of comprehension, I know the indian flag, I did not look at your icon.

Ah, I get it. It's not your comprehension, it's your general observation department which is lacking.

Originally posted by Vesayen

Because..... you said so?

The unstated assumption here which you are making is that begging=charity. I donate to a real organised charity.

[Drogue]

Originally posted by Vesayen
Are you ####ING crazy?

Yes, all the worlds beggars are part of one world-wide begging conspiracy, who control the banks,the media and the hungarian clothes-line manufacturing industry, with trillions of dollars invested and all of their effort is to get two dollars in quarters....

YOU MAKE A STAND YOU MORAL CRUSADER! STAND TALL!

Of course continue to buy products made with slave-labor style sweat-shop conditions and eat meat from animals which are tortured and buy unfair-exchange food but no no no, your going to make a STAND! No more! You won't let a handful of bastards trick you into charity!

I salute you ser!

Because building a strawmen full of things neither Shiva nor Aneeshm said is a great way to argue. Not giving to beggars when you know there is a lot of organised, forced begging, but giving to charity instead, is sensible.

As for the sarcastic insults and personal presumptions, please tone it down a little.

Originally posted by aneeshm
You have no ****ing idea what goes on in India, do you? And I'm a vegetarian, so I don't, in fact, eat meat from tortured animals. And WTF is unfair-exchange food? And WTF are you talking about slave labour? That slave labour allows some of my countrymen in the most depressed areas to have food on the table.

You're an idiot.

As much as you may have reason to be annoyed, that does not allow you to bypass the autofilter. This is a family site with a swearing filter for a good reason. I don't want to have to edit your posts again.

[ajbera]

I try to carry some change so I can give a little to beggars. If they're performing they'll get more - skilled individuals get the big bucks. Plus, they deserve a bit extra if they have the moxie to do something entertaining rather than sitting like a depressed sloth.

They often get my leftovers too.