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**Addled Platypus** · December 13, 2006, 05:18

population control ??

by the kiloton ??

Always wanted a white x-mas

**Lul Thyme** · December 13, 2006, 06:37

Originally posted by dannubis
In 1986 a small reactor blew up in the iddle of Ukraine. The radioactive cloud reached the US two days later. And you guys think you would be affected by a nuclear exchange in India ?

Sweet dreams and repeat until true.

should this be "wouldn't"

I have no idea what your point is.

**dannubis** · December 13, 2006, 07:03

"wouldn't" it should have been indeed

**red_jon** · December 13, 2006, 08:35

Anyone seen the film 'threads'? Great, in a terrifying-vision-of-nuclear-war kinda way. My parents extra in it too

**Tattila the Hun** · December 13, 2006, 09:20

Re: Re: Kaboom!

Originally posted by LordShiva

Thankfully, an "exchange" would have to be two way, and we're not going to let that happen

Just means they're going to hit you sooner rather than later.

That tongue just doesn't conway the "nyah" sentiment...

**Donegeal** · December 13, 2006, 09:30

Originally posted by Cort Haus
My point is, in essence, that if Iran knows that nuking Israel will f*ck Iran even without retaliation, it may have second thoughts.

Might they also think "Nuking Isreal can **** up the US agricultural production? Two birds with one stone!!!"

**Dis** · December 13, 2006, 14:44

Originally posted by dannubis
In 1986 a small reactor blew up in the iddle of Ukraine. The radioactive cloud reached the US two days later. And you guys think you would be affected by a nuclear exchange in India ?

Sweet dreams and repeat until true.

that was a large reactor. We've set off over 2 dozen nuclear devices in the atomosphere in the 50's and 60's. The only difference is we haven't set them all off at the same time.

**Dis** · December 13, 2006, 14:47

Originally posted by red_jon
Anyone seen the film 'threads'? Great, in a terrifying-vision-of-nuclear-war kinda way. My parents extra in it too

were your parents the sickly one or the ones that were flash fried?

Just watched it 2 days ago in fact. It's on google video for anyone that wants to watch it. The quality is poor (british made for tv movie in 1984), but still pretty cool. I still think the ending is a little far fetched. I can't see the degradation of spoken language in 13 years. And why did Ruth's daughter's baby come out a bloody mess? I would expect that to happen with Ruth's kid after being exposed to so much fallout during pregnancy.

**red_jon** · December 14, 2006, 04:50

Originally posted by Dis

were your parents the sickly one or the ones that were flash fried?

Just watched it 2 days ago in fact. It's on google video for anyone that wants to watch it. The quality is poor (british made for tv movie in 1984), but still pretty cool. I still think the ending is a little far fetched. I can't see the degradation of spoken language in 13 years. And why did Ruth's daughter's baby come out a bloody mess? I would expect that to happen with Ruth's kid after being exposed to so much fallout during pregnancy.

My parents are in the gruesome (and amazing) hospital scene. When the camera pans along a corridor and stops with a woman covered in burns mumbling to herself, that's my mum that is. She was also pregnant with me

**Lul Thyme** · December 14, 2006, 06:51

Originally posted by dannubis
In 1986 a small reactor blew up in the iddle of Ukraine. The radioactive cloud reached the US two days later. And you guys think you would be affected by a nuclear exchange in India ?

Sweet dreams and repeat until true.

do you have quotes for this?
I searched and could find no source for the cloud being detectable in the U.S.

Closest I could find were mentions of "East North America" but only one map included anything like it and the covered area was in Labrador....

Chernobyl source term, atmospheric dispersion, and dose estimation (Journal Article) | OSTI.GOV

http://www.osti.gov/energycitations/product.biblio.jsp?osti_id=5087075

The Chernobyl source term available for long-range transport was estimated by integration of radiological measurements with atmospheric dispersion modeling and by reactor core radionuclide inventory estimation in conjunction with WASH-1400 release fractions associated with specific chemical groups. These analyses indicated that essentially all of the noble gases, 60% of the radioiodines, 40% of the radiocesium, 10% of the tellurium, and about 1% or less of the more refractory elements were released. Atmospheric dispersion modeling of the radioactive cloud over the Northern Hemisphere revealed that the cloud became segmented during the first day, with the lower section heading toward Scandinavia and the upper part heading in a southeasterly direction with subsequent transport across Asia to Japan, the North Pacific, and the west coast of North America. The inhalation doses due to direct cloud exposure were estimated to exceed 10 mGy near the Chernobyl area, to range between 0.1 and 0.001 mGy within most of Europe, and to be generally less than 0.00001 mGy within the United States. The Chernobyl source term was several orders of magnitude greater than those associated with the Windscale and TMI reactor accidents. However, the 137Cs from the Chernobyl event is about 6% of that released by the U.S. and U.S.S.R. atmospheric nuclear weapon tests, while the 131I and 90Sr released by the Chernobyl accident was only about 0.1% of that released by the weapon tests. | OSTI.GOV

Basically it seems modelling can predict when and how the cloud would reach the U.S and they can get an approximation of the amount of radiation that would have gotten to the U.S. but as far as I can see, this is under detectable levels that is negligible.

I'll read up a bit more, maybe I misunderstood, but maybe you are wrong

**dannubis** · December 14, 2006, 06:57

I just saw a documentary a few weeks ago in which they showed an old fragment of an american news anker saying the radioactive cloud had reached the US.

So I assumed that is what happened.

Anyway, my point is that if an accident occurs where a reactor blows up (not even a nuclear explosion) and half of the world is affected somehow, I don't think the effects of a nuclear exchange between India and Pakistan would pass by unnoticed.

**Lul Thyme** · December 14, 2006, 07:01

Originally posted by dannubis
I just saw a documentary a few weeks ago in which they showed an old fragment of an american news anker saying the radioactive cloud had reached the US.

So I assumed that is what happened.

Anyway, my point is that if an accident occurs where a reactor blows up (not even a nuclear explosion) and half of the world is affected somehow, I don't think the effects of a nuclear exchange between India and Pakistan would pass by unnoticed.

I see the point you're trying to make.
I kind of agree but I think your example was not only wrong, but misguided.

The "nuclear cloud" that reached the U.S. was not radioactive anymore by that point, so there were no measurable effects for anybody in the U.S.

**Dis** · December 15, 2006, 15:51

no doubt radiation will be spread around. But by the time it hits Europe or the U.S. it won't be detectable above background radiation.

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