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  • A Society Without Need for Men (or at least their emotions and money)

    I was thinking about this because of another thread but here goes:

    WIth the rise of women's rights, women's ability to support themselves, the shift in the social construct of marriage (from one of mutual economic/family benefit to one of love), what place is there in society for men? Why would today's woman want/need a man for many of the traditional reasons to get married?

    Well, I think through some biased observation of my own, even though many women can and do provide for themselves they still want a man who can and does take care of them and are attracted to those men who can.

    on the flip side, men are still attracted to women mostly, almost solely sometimes on physical attraction. the demand exceeds the supply and men are willing to sacrifice a lot to capture that. time, material wealth, opportunity, etc.

    So if women have so much more leverage than before, and men are compelled by their libido, why arent women exploiting men MORE? If I were a woman (
    i get accused sometimes for my emotional state) I would find no reason to settle on one guy, or settle at all unless I was not attractive and even then my economic well being isnt in harm's way. There is no economic downside to using men for your own reasons so the game should be open!

    I know there are quite a few women that do exploit men. I just find it hard to understand why so many women put up with idiotic, ****e boyfriends or husbands for so long if there is nothing but the relationship/history itself at stake. Perhaps this is a latent thing among women and/or humans, to not be openly opportunistic or exploitative of others, but the fruit is ripe for the picking! Even women who use men routinely still have people clamouring for them. There are no downsides from what I can tell.

    So essentially I dont see why women put up with men at all except out of societal and biological pressures.
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  • #2
    Women use men for sex, companionship protection and self-validataion


    I actually think that women do pretty well. Men pretty much want sex while women want all the security of a committed relationship. Ask most married men how much sex is happening and you get a sense of who is actually getting what they want
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    • #3
      So essentially I dont see why women put up with men at all except out of societal and biological pressures.


      Some men may have to be 'put up with', but some women have to be 'put up with' too. I reckon it works both ways.

      Both sides gain from a committed relationship to share the cost of living.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Cort Haus


        Both sides gain from a committed relationship to share the cost of living.
        IF that were the only benefit, we would just get roomates.


        I do agree though that Men put up with as much woman crap as Women do for men.
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        • #5
          We still live in a patriarchy. Women do not have any leverage within mainstream culture.

          In the niches where patriarchy doesn't exist men are not needed (and using or exploiting them is still "needed") nor are they tolerated if they act with the same machismo and chauvinism that is typical to our society.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Flubber
            Women use men for sex, companionship protection and self-validataion


            I actually think that women do pretty well. Men pretty much want sex while women want all the security of a committed relationship. Ask most married men how much sex is happening and you get a sense of who is actually getting what they want
            This is one reason why marriage is outmoded, why the majority is now unmarried, and 50% of all marriages are bound for failure.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Flubber
              I actually think that women do pretty well. Men pretty much want sex while women want all the security of a committed relationship. Ask most married men how much sex is happening and you get a sense of who is actually getting what they want
              That is oversimplification to the extreme. Happily married men want companionship as much as the women do. If they didn't want that, then they shouldn't have gotten married in the first place. Married for sex? That's preposterous in this day and age.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Q Cubed
                This is one reason why marriage is outmoded, .
                How many of you people that say this are actually married?
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                • #9
                  *holds up hand

                  Except for the lack of sex part.
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                  • #10
                    Marriage is a silly, outdated tradition.

                    It holds virtually no real power any more in a world of pre-nups and easy divorces.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by KrazyHorse
                      Marriage is a silly, outdated tradition.

                      It holds virtually no real power any more in a world of pre-nups and easy divorces.
                      Point two doesn't lead to point one. All it means is that it's easier to leave a marriage if you want to. It says nothing about those who are happy to be in a marriage. For them, it is not a "silly tradition."
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                      • #12
                        Put two and two together, man.

                        If marriage imposes less and less significant hurdles to leaving the relationship then a marriage becomes more and more like an unmarried long-term relationship.

                        I don't stay with my wife because we're married, but because I'm happy to be with her. The ceremony and the document are meaningless.
                        12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                        Stadtluft Macht Frei
                        Killing it is the new killing it
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                        • #13
                          Why'd you go to the expense then?
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by KrazyHorse If marriage imposes less and less significant hurdles to leaving the relationship then a marriage becomes more and more like an unmarried long-term relationship. I don't stay with my wife because we're married, but because I'm happy to be with her. The ceremony and the document are meaningless.
                            I can agree with that. The problem is that too many people tend to conflate marriage as you've defined it with the concept of a longterm, committed, monogamous relationship between two people who love each other. People who attack the first concept as "silly and outdated" often say the same about the second concept.

                            Though I agree that the first concept is basically unimportant, I believe that the second concept is very important. Such relationships bring happiness to millions of couples. I find the rush to dismiss such relationships as "silly" to be foolish and insulting. I'm much happier in a relationship with my wife than I would be as a single bar fly.
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                            • #15
                              I would imagine because of the legal and financial benefits?

                              Or the symbolic significance?

                              Or both?
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