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[germanos]

The loonies are certainly on either side of the fence:



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"They have the audacity to think that they can prevent the Almighty from repeating a Holocaust. This is heresy."

[Drogue]

While Ahmadinejad is a bit of an ass, and his we know his beliefs on the Holocaust, I don't see the problem with holding an conference of historians exploring the issue. It's an unpalitable thing, but even things we disagree with can be debated and the evidence looked at. I don't see what problem there is holding a conference on anything, however controversial.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Drogue
While Ahmadinejad is a bit of an ass, and his we know his beliefs on the Holocaust, I don't see the problem with holding an conference of historians exploring the issue. It's an unpalitable thing, but even things we disagree with can be debated and the evidence looked at. I don't see what problem there is holding a conference on anything, however controversial.

The problem is that it is a lopsided conference where poorly develop conspiracy theories are given more room than simple facts. I doubt anyone is in Tehran with mountains of Nazi documents that prove beyond a shadow of a doubt what occured.

At the end it is a political showpiece.

The only question this conference raises which I think is valid in discussing is whether the Holocaust in any way justifies the modern Israel and its history. That is a question apart from whether the Holocaust happened and its magnitude, which at this point should be beyond any real debate.

[Darius871]

Originally posted by Ned
I assume that if and when Iran's Fuhrer visits Germany or Austria, he will be arrested for his crimes. (At least, I hope so.)

So what, then we'll just see the clerics approve a list of other meaningless figureheads to handle day-to-day administration. How often does Khamenei travel to central Europe?

[Impaler[WrG]]

Can a team of Haulocaust-asserters (for lack of a better term) be sent by Germany to lay some smack-down on the deniers? I don't think its likly they will be given a fair chance to speak but atleast making the effort will be symbolic and if denied they can point out the panels refused to hear contrary opinions.

[Proteus_MST]

Iran should invite all of our german rightwing extremists and then keep them in their land.
We don´t need them here so we will readily donate them to Iran

[Combat Ingrid]

Originally posted by Impaler[WrG]
Can a team of Haulocaust-asserters (for lack of a better term) be sent by Germany to lay some smack-down on the deniers?

Then Iran should jail them for denying that the holocaust didn't happen

[germanos]

I liked this observation in from the BBC:

'Many Iranians must be wondering why they have the right to deny the Holocaust with impunity, but not to question their own leaders without risking jail, our correspondent says.'

[Wernazuma III]

Originally posted by Impaler[WrG]
Can a team of Haulocaust-asserters (for lack of a better term) be sent by Germany to lay some smack-down on the deniers? I don't think its likly they will be given a fair chance to speak but atleast making the effort will be symbolic and if denied they can point out the panels refused to hear contrary opinions.

There was one Palestinian(!) historian who wanted to assist the conference to clear the minds up there brining on arguments that holocaust happened. He thought, as a "true" Arab critical to Israel, they might be a bit more willing to listen. They wouldn't let him in however.

Oh, I notice, they're here: But why not these?: ?

[Colon™]

They probably won't allow a holocaust-denier on a European holocaust-conference either. Europe at least is on shaky moral grounds in this matter...

[Dis]

errr, why do they need conferences about the holocaust? It's over and done with. Get on with life.

[lord of the mark]

A story that combines Iranian oppression of its own dissidents, with the issue of the conference.

http://www.adnki.com/index_2Level_English.php?cat=Religion&loid=8.0.368122129&par=0

so much for the idea that Iranians dont know or care about the truth.

[DinoDoc]

Are any Iranians opposing the conference on the grounds it insults their intelligence?

[lord of the mark]

[QUOTE] Originally posted by GePap


"Most people around the world don't know who David Duke is, nor care. As for them "knowing" that holocaust denial is crankery, I think you overestimate Holocaust knowledge in general, especially in parts of the world were again it is just another historical fact."

I said educated people. We have two educated Indias who post here regularly, why dont we ask them?



"Russian POW's were generally NOT gassed. Gas chambers were almost exclusively located in extermination camps, which were set up especifically to eradicate the Jewish population. The vast majority of Soviet POWs died through exposure, starvation and disease, all made worst by being used as slave laborers. "

Some Russian POWs WERE gassed, and indeed some of the gassing techniques were tried out on them first. Im not real familiar with the details of deniers claims, but it would seem very difficult to deny what happened to the Jews without at the same time denying or distorting much of the truth about what happened to the Russians. I cant believe that wouldnt anger Russians. While there is antisemitism in Russian society, I dont think its nearly as important a force as Russias sense of victimization by the Nazis. There is even, I think, some pride at Russias role as liberator of the death camps.


"So why should Russians remmeber the slaughter of millions of Jews as something more unique than the slaughter of millions of Russians?"


The question I rise is not how uniquely the Russians should view anything in particular, but how they should feel about a denial of historical fact, that (I think) inevitably calls into question other historical facts of great importance to them.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Colon™
They probably won't allow a holocaust-denier on a European holocaust-conference either. Europe at least is on shaky moral grounds in this matter...

Allow or invite? A holocaust denier WOULD be allowed at a US holocaust conference - and WE, not Germany or Austria or France, are the Great Satan after all. He probably wouldnt be INVITED by serious scholars though, for the same reason flat earthers generally arent invited to conferences on geology, etc, etc.