Gladiator in Glorious HD

[LordShiva]

I have no idea. It didn't have any channel logos, though.

[DanS]

Ned: Film in the theaters is actually at 2 times 24 frames per second (the 2 frames are identical), or 48 frames per second total.

The 3:2 pulldown (aka, telecine) is to display movie content on an output device (such as an HDTV) that can only display 60 fields (i.e., 1/2 of a frame) per second. Progressive displays (some HDTVs, most projectors, LCD monitors) don't have to worry about 3:2 pulldown, if the source, such as a DVD player, hands off the video in progressive mode.

[SlowwHand]

What do they have for people that just want to watch it?

[DanS]

Just plug it in, and you'll be fine.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Asher

So get a TV and player that supports 1080p24?

I don't know what you're whining about, to be honest.

3:2 pulldown "artifacts" when dealing with a progressive source (HD DVD/Bluray) and display (HDTV) are virtually impossible to notice.

Supports?

All they do is move the point of coversion to the TV or player. Anytime you convert something, you will lose clarity.

Also, I sincerely doubt a scan of a film (135 mm) is going to be as good as filming in HD at his res and 60 fps. I am sure the lack of noticeable differences between 480p and 1080p relates to the original scanning. Also, I suspect that the film I saw was simply reformatted and is not a new scan at all. In other words, I was seeing 480p.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Ned
Supports?

All they do is move the point of coversion to the TV or player. Anytime you convert something, you will lose clarity.

There's no conversion at all, your TV just runs at 24/48/72 Hz in 1080p24 mode.

Also, I sincerely doubt a scan of a film (135 mm) is going to be as good as filming in HD at his res and 60 fps. I am sure the lack of noticeable differences between 480p and 1080p relates to the original scanning. Also, I suspect that the film I saw was simply reformatted and is not a new scan at all. In other words, I was seeing 480p.

The film you saw was probably 480p upconverted, which is not the same as 1080p.

If you cannot see a huge difference between 1080p and 480p, your TV sucks or your eyes suck.

[Ned]

Originally posted by DanS
Ned: Film in the theaters is actually at 2 times 24 frames per second (the 2 frames are identical), or 48 frames per second total.

The 3:2 pulldown (aka, telecine) is to display movie content on an output device (such as an HDTV) that can only display 60 fields (i.e., 1/2 of a frame) per second. Progressive displays (some HDTVs, most projectors, LCD monitors) don't have to worry about 3:2 pulldown, if the source, such as a DVD player, hands off the video in progressive mode.

But the conversion has to take place somewhere. If you scan film, all you get is "24p." (Refering to FPS an whether it is p or i.) The double rate in theaters has to do with brightness, not with clarity.

TV displays at the equivalent of "30p," i.e., 60i. 1080p is equivalent to 60p (non interlaced, 60 frames per second.)

Regardless of location, at some point you have to convert 24p to either 30p or to 60p.

You avoid all this by originally filming in 60p or better.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Asher

There's no conversion at all, your TV just runs at 24/48/72 Hz in 1080p24 mode.


The film you saw was probably 480p upconverted, which is not the same as 1080p.

If you cannot see a huge difference between 1080p and 480p, your TV sucks or your eyes suck.

I can certainly see a difference if the source material is 1080p. I was rocked off my feet by the 1080p game on the Playstation. But just ouputting a low res film on a high res display does not make the low res source high res.

[Asher]

Regardless of location, at some point you have to convert 24p to either 30p or to 60p.

You avoid all this by originally filming in 60p or better.

No, you don't. As I've said.

HD DVD and Bluray players supporting 1080p24 can output at 24 or 48fps, and TVs which support 24/48/72Hz display that at that framerate. Most LCD TVs support at least 72Hz.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Ned
I can certainly see a difference if the source material is 1080p. I was rocked off my feet by the 1080p game on the Playstation. But just ouputting a low res film on a high res display does not make the low res source high res.

That is called upconverting.

The best source material for 1080p was based on film (King Kong, Tokyo Drift, etc). They look stunning.

Incidentally, fps has nothing to do with resolution.

[SlowwHand]

So in video you can "up convert" or "up sample", but in music such as MP3, you can't. Right?

[Asher]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
So in video you can "up convert" or "up sample", but in music such as MP3, you can't. Right?

Of course you can.

That's a "feature" of the Soundblaster X-Fis...it "upconverts' music to 24-bit/96Khz from 16-bit/44Khz.

You can do it with anything digital...it rarely makes a difference.

[DanS]

Originally posted by Ned
But the conversion has to take place somewhere. If you scan film, all you get is "24p." (Refering to FPS an whether it is p or i.) The double rate in theaters has to do with brightness, not with clarity.

TV displays at the equivalent of "30p," i.e., 60i. 1080p is equivalent to 60p (non interlaced, 60 frames per second.)

30p isn't equivalent to 60i, but let's not let that confuse us. 3:2 pulldown is a specific process only introduced on interlaced film content formatted for an output device that can only display 60i.

Regardless of location, at some point you have to convert 24p to either 30p or to 60p.

You avoid all this by originally filming in 60p or better.

No, lots of displays can work in both 60 frame or 72 frame mode, depending on the content. Many even display 120 frames, which obviates this whole problem. Anyway, even on a display that can only show 60 frames, the jitter on film content isn't bad at all. And just to be crystal clear, 3:2 pulldown isn't introduced at all on progressive content.

[Darius871]

Originally posted by LordShiva
Pirates ripped off the music from Gladiator

You know they were both the same composer right? Maybe Zimmer just has the same tunes running through his head all the time... I noticed a few parts of the Backdraft score were regurgitated in Gladiator for that matter.

[Ned]

While we argue over how many of those angels are dancing on that pinhead, what we really ought to be look for is the rapid introduction of holographic displays.

http://www.poc.com/emerging_products/3d_display/default.asp