The Big Bang time paradox

[reds4ever]

Get "The Fabric of the Cosmos" by Brian Green. It's a pretty straightforward account of current cosmological thinking (and how they got there).

[Jon Miller]

I am still hoping that Vince or someone will post their grand ideas.

JM

[Vesayen]

Originally posted by Zkribbler
So the Big-Bang creation theory can explain everything but the creation of the universe?

Oh yeah. I'm happy.

The big bang does not explain the creation of the universe, it explains stellar evolution and how the universe changed, over time, from the earliest point of the model.

I agree with the first few responses, no paradox.

Asking what happened before the big bang is like asking(as was said) what is "outside" the universe(in a spacial sense).

Nothing.

A simpler analogy?

What color is the taste of an apple? What does is the sound of a sight?

The question asks for a mismatched description.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by flash9286
so before inflation was the universe a singularity?

? No.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Vesayen



The big bang does not explain the creation of the universe, it explains stellar evolution and how the universe changed, over time, from the earliest point of the model.

I agree with the first few responses, no paradox.

Asking what happened before the big bang is like asking(as was said) what is "outside" the universe(in a spacial sense).

Nothing.

A simpler analogy?

What color is the taste of an apple? What does is the sound of a sight?

The question asks for a mismatched description.

Thanks for ignoring my post.

I'm the only professional cosmologist here, but I'm sure your opinion is as valid as mine.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
So you like to dish it out (accusing everyone of being ignorant fools), but can't take a little snappiness?

Oh, I can take it. But if you want me to give you lovin' then you have to treat me right...

[KrazyHorse]

If the universe consists of matter and anti-matter, why did it explode rather than implode? It should have self annilated.

There is more matter than antimatter in the Universe. This fact is of constant interest to physicists.

[Impaler[WrG]]

KH: Your position seems to me to be roughly "Phisics and mathematics can predict (in a retro-active sense) the universe back to Inflation era at which point our understanding is so sloppy/undeveloped that we cant realy say anything definitive about what came before" Thats consistent with what I have heard but the threads author was interested in the paradoxical and conceptual nature of the "begining of time". Perhaps you dont realy like these kinds of speculations as its almost more philosophical then scientific. But you must admit their popular topics of lay debate so please present your side on these issues or the current theories if they are different.

I've heard the discover of Dark-Energy has ruled out any chance of the Universe re-collapsing aka Big-Crunch, instead it will exist forever continualy expanding and diluting all heat and matter in the classic heat-death-of-the-universe senario. That would seemingly rule out any kind of cyclical nature as was mentioned earlier. Is that still the excepted theory?

Lastly fill us in on your specific area of study/research if you could.

[MRT144]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse


Oh, I can take it. But if you want me to give you lovin' then you have to treat me right...

youre all teeth and no swallow

[aneeshm]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
I love watching people who either lack the motivation or the intellect to actually learn physics try to poke holes in theories created by their betters.

Umm ... I wasn't trying to pick holes, actually, this is just something that occurred to me at the moment, so I posted it. But you in your fantastic arrogance you have to misinterpret everything as the ranting of ignorants, don't you?

And I posted it here in order to understand where I was going wrong, because I was curious. Instead of helping me, you're acting like a dick. Bravo!

[aneeshm]

Originally posted by Impaler[WrG]
KH: Your position seems to me to be roughly "Phisics and mathematics can predict (in a retro-active sense) the universe back to Inflation era at which point our understanding is so sloppy/undeveloped that we cant realy say anything definitive about what came before" Thats consistent with what I have heard but the threads author was interested in the paradoxical and conceptual nature of the "begining of time". Perhaps you dont realy like these kinds of speculations as its almost more philosophical then scientific. But you must admit their popular topics of lay debate so please present your side on these issues or the current theories if they are different.

Precisely.

I was asking a more general, almost philosophical question about the paradox that occurs if we talk about a "beginning of time". Not specifically about the Big Bang. I'm not really that interested in the physics theory, because the question is logical in nature, not physical.

[Heresson]

Re: The Big Bang time paradox

Originally posted by aneeshm
It is postulated that time did not exist before the big bang.

The problem arises - if time did not exist, neither did change. If change did not exist, then the Bid Bang should never have happened at all - everything should have stayed static. Why didn't that happen? Or is our premise itself wrong - time did, in fact, exist before the Big Bang, therefore making the initial state something of a transient one?

Any answer?

In catholic / orthodox theology, the time did not exist as well before Son and Holy Spirit were, uh, done within God. And as the Holy Spirit is what is responsible for everything happening in the world, I am not suprised one of the popes wanted to make Big Bang an official catholic version of creation of the world...

[Richelieu]

I want to talk about ether. Will i be quartered?

[Jon Miller]

KH

JM

[Guynemer]

Originally posted by aneeshm


Precisely.

I was asking a more general, almost philosophical question about the paradox that occurs if we talk about a "beginning of time". Not specifically about the Big Bang. I'm not really that interested in the physics theory, because the question is logical in nature, not physical.

We've already gotten the answer. Turtles. Turtles, all the way down.


Honestly, we'll never know, but it's fun (in a headache-inducing way) to think about. My solution is this: hang it all, let's go get a cookie.

I've become a much happier (and heavier) person since adopting this philosophy.