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  • Originally posted by Diadem View Post
    Anyway, bedtime. So one final post.

    Mr. Krazyhorse, you, I regret to say, are a despicable person. Words such as respect and honesty simply do not seem to exist in your universe.

    I do not care that you are a professional physicist. I do not care how good you are. You are a disgrace to the physics community, in the way you arrogantly insult layman who are asking simple, honest questions. You obviously know a lot about physics. But instead of sharing this knowledge, you use it as a punchline.

    You're not interested in truth, just in winning the argument. Which is a quality that totally discredits you as a scientist.

    Ok, enough flaming. Time to reveal the real joke.

    Which is, of course, that you are right. Oh, not about what started this argument. You were clearly talking out of your arse then. But you're right about the singularity issue. Since I was trying to post at a level understandable for layman, I was rather sloppy in my wording. So I used the word singularity in the informal meaning of the word.

    You then attacked me over this, in such an arrogant and stupid fashion that it seemed fun to annoy you a bit over it. I fear that if you can not even see the difference the usage of a term in the strictest physical meaning or a more loose inituitive meaning, the joke is on you.

    Either way, this joke has continued long enough. So let's stop it.

    Congratulations on winning this argument. Ah, but remember what they say about people who argue on the internet...

    Oh and by the way: I'm not even a physicist. At least not yet. Still a student
    Last edited by Heraclitus; December 8, 2009, 04:48.
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    • Originally posted by Impaler[WrG] View Post
      I nominate that for worse pun EVER!!
      plus one
      Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
      The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
      The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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      • Originally posted by KrazyHorse View Post
        Anyhow, the "real" answer is that the idea of an instantaneous "Big Bang" is not the current accepted model. What is currently envisioned is (going back from today) Normal physics -> Inflationary epoch (closest thing to "Big Bang") -> pre-inflation Universe

        The Universe was in existence. Then something caused it to expand rapidly. Then something caused the rapid expansion to stop. At no point does time disappear from the model. Cosmology says nothing about the origin of the pre-expansion Universe. Maybe it was there forever. Maybe not. Maybe it had already expanded and contracted before. Maybe not. We have no data. We don't even understand the middle step (inflation) very well, so postulating about anything further back is pretty useless.

        Happy?


        That's weird.
        When theists claim that there's a god that caused the universe without having any data or scientific information about this god or the cause of this god, they're ignorant and dumb and all the usual stuff.

        But now you actually claim about the same about this 'pre-universe'.
        In fact we know about as much about this pre-universe as we know about god or the pink spagetti space monster (?), right?
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        • But now you actually claim about the same about this 'pre-universe'.


          No. He's making no positive statements at all about that region of time. He's claiming we don't have enough information to draw any conclusions.

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          • To be honest, I don't remember KH saying that theists/etc were stupid/etc.

            JM
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            • That too.

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              • Originally posted by Drake Tungsten View Post
                Three grad students in my department published a paper based on this 2 months ago that's getting rave reviews.


                Can we get them to post here? I only want the best...
                I'm smarter than 2 of them.
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                • Originally posted by Robert Plomp View Post
                  That's weird.
                  When theists claim that there's a god that caused the universe without having any data or scientific information about this god or the cause of this god, they're ignorant and dumb and all the usual stuff.

                  But now you actually claim about the same about this 'pre-universe'.
                  In fact we know about as much about this pre-universe as we know about god or the pink spagetti space monster (?), right?
                  You're tilting at windmills.
                  12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                  Stadtluft Macht Frei
                  Killing it is the new killing it
                  Ultima Ratio Regum

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                  • I'm smarter than 2 of them.


                    We want the third one, then. We'll call him KH+.
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                    ASHER FOR CEO!!
                    GUYNEMER FOR OT MOD!!!

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                    • I'm more knowledgable about econ, finance and math than the third one....
                      12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                      Stadtluft Macht Frei
                      Killing it is the new killing it
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                      • We have Kuci for math knowledge and NYE for econ and finance. You're expendable if we can get a better physicist.
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                        • Originally posted by Drake Tungsten View Post
                          We have Kuci for math knowledge and NYE for econ and finance.
                          12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                          Stadtluft Macht Frei
                          Killing it is the new killing it
                          Ultima Ratio Regum

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                          • One of the ones who I'm smarter than is also a better physicist than me.
                            12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                            Stadtluft Macht Frei
                            Killing it is the new killing it
                            Ultima Ratio Regum

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                            • Are any of you a better physicist than Sheldon on The Big Bang Theory? That's the kind of intellect we need.
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                              • I've never seen The Big Bang Theory
                                12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                                Stadtluft Macht Frei
                                Killing it is the new killing it
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