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  • #46
    Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
    I wasn't aware that there was that much diversity of Buddhist scripture.


    The Canon is a record of the Buddha’s words and includes the complementary sermons and analyses of his disciples.
    ...
    In the early years of Buddhism, regular and systemic group recitation was encouraged to maintain the integrity of the Buddhist Canon. As the Buddha’s message spread, however, discrepancies arose among his disciples and it became necessary to codify the Canon.

    Three months after the Buddha entered Parinirvana, the First Council was convened in Rajagaha. The Buddha’s enlightened followers recited and organized the Canon, but did not record the sutras.

    The Buddhist Canon was finally committed to writing at the Fourth Council, held during the second century BCE in Kashmir.
    ...
    The Sutras were originally recorded in Pali, but as the Buddha’s disciples disseminated his message throughout Asia, the Canon was translated to reach each new community.

    While each Buddhist tradition – Theravada, Mahayana and Vajrayana – recognizes a different number of sutras and adheres to a slightly different version of the Canon, there are certain core discourses that are universally recommended for newcomers. They include:

    *Dhammacakkappavattana-sutta: Setting in motion the Wheel of Truth
    *Adittapariyaya-sutta: The Fire Sermon
    *Metta-sutta: Universal Love
    *Mangala-sutta: Blessings
    *Sabbasava-sutta: Getting Rid of all Cares and Troubles
    *Satipatthana-sutta: The Foundations of Mindfulness
    *Sigalovada-sutta: Domestic and Social Relations





    The Tripitaka is the Canon of the Buddhists, both Theravada and Mahayana. Thus it is possible to speak of several Canons ... as well as in term of languages like Pali, Chinese and Tibetan. The word is used basically to refer to the literature, the authorship of which is directly or indirectly ascribed to the Buddha himself.

    It is generally believed that whatever was the teaching of the Buddha, ... it was rehearsed soon after his death by a fairly representative body of disciples. ... the early Buddhist disciples appear to have remained united for about a century.

    The Council of Vesali or the second Buddhist Council saw the break up of this original body and as many as eighteen separate schools were known to exist by about the first century B.C. It is reasonable to assume that each of these schools would have opted to possess a Tripitaka of their own or rather their own recension of the Tripitaka, perhaps with a considerably large common core.

    ...
    in speaking of a Buddhist Canon one has to admit that it is both vast in extent and complex in character. While the earlier and more orthodox schools of Buddhism reserved the term Canonical to refer to the Body of literature, the greater part of which could be reasonably ascribed to the Buddha himself, other traditions which developed further away from the centre of activity of the Buddha and at a relatively later date choose to lay under the term Canon the entire mosaic of Buddhist literature in their possession, which is of varied authorship and is at times extremely heterogeneous in character.
    I don't know what I am - Pekka

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    • #47
      Can someone gat access to the Sigalovada-sutta? My guess is that canon would reveal his teachings about women.
      "I say shoot'em all and let God sort it out in the end!

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
        This 'pacifist' teacher condoned the beating of women.
        I find this very odd.

        It seems to be in contradiction with basic principles.

        Notwithstanding the diversity in 'canonical' scriptures;
        The Four Noble Truths represent the bedrock of all Buddhist teaching. The Eightfold Path arises from the Four Truths and the Five Precepts of moral action arise in turn from the Eightfold Path.

        The first precept is variously given as "to do no harm" and "to abstain from taking life." So it's possible that some schools adhere to "take no life" but consider an occasional beating to be acceptable. But overall, it strikes me as a fairly untenable misinterpratation of the actual teachings.

        Which is not to say that Buddhists never beat their women, of course.



        The Four Noble Truths
        1. The existence of impermanence/ suffering
        2. The arising of suffering because of attachment/ desire
        3. The possibilty of the cessation of suffering
        4. The method to end suffering (The Noble Eightfold Path) ---->


        ----> The Eightfold Path
        1. Right View
        2. Right Intention
        3. Right Speech
        4. Right Action ---->
        5. Right Livelihood
        6. Right Effort
        7. Right Mindfulness
        8. Right Concentration


        ----> The Five Precepts

        I undertake to observe the precept to abstain from ...

        1. ... harming living beings.
        2. ... taking things not freely given.
        3. ... sexual misconduct.
        4. ... false speech.
        5. ... intoxicating drinks and drugs causing heedlessness.
        6. ... taking untimely meals.
        7. ... dancing, singing, music and watching grotesque mime.
        8. ... use of garlands, perfumes and personal adornment.
        9. ... use of high seats.
        10. .. accepting gold or silver.

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        The precepts are a condensed form of Buddhist ethical practice. They are often compared with the ten commandments of Christianity, however, the precepts are different in two respects: First, they are to be taken as recommendations, not commandments. This means the individual is encouraged to use his/her own intelligence to apply these rules in the best possible way. Second, it is the spirit of the precepts -not the text- that counts, hence, the guidelines for ethical conduct must be seen in the larger context of the Eightfold Path.

        The first five precepts are mandatory for every Buddhist, although the 5th precept is often not observed, because it bans the consumption of alcohol. Precepts no. 6 to 10 are laid out for those in preparation for monastic life and for devoted lay people ... Ordained Theravada monks undertake no less than 227 precepts, which are not listed here.
        I don't know what I am - Pekka

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
          Can someone gat access to the Sigalovada-sutta?


          The following should be looked upon as the six quarters. The parents should be looked upon as the East, teachers as the South, wife and children as the West, friends and associates as the North, servants and employees as the Nadir, ascetics and brahmans as the Zenith.

          ...
          In five ways, young householder, should a wife as the West be ministered to by a husband:
          (i) by being courteous to her,
          (ii) by not despising her,
          (iii) by being faithful to her,
          (iv) by handing over authority to her,
          (v) by providing her with adornments.

          The wife thus ministered to as the West by her husband shows her compassion to her husband in five ways:
          (i) she performs her duties well,
          (ii) she is hospitable to relations and attendants
          (iii) she is faithful,
          (iv) she protects what he brings,
          (v) she is skilled and industrious in discharging her duties.

          In these five ways does the wife show her compassion to her husband who ministers to her as the West. Thus is the West covered by him and made safe and secure.
          I don't know what I am - Pekka

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          • #50
            ibid

            Dice, women, liquor, dancing, singing, sleeping by day, sauntering at unseemly hours, evil companions, avarice — these nine5 causes ruin a man.


            Cigareets 'n whuskey 'n wild, wild wimmin!
            They'll drive you crazy. They'll drive you insaayne!!
            I don't know what I am - Pekka

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Terra Nullius
              9. ... use of high seats.

              The Dalai Lama had a big problem, I guess.
              "The world is too small in Vorarlberg". Austrian ex-vice-chancellor Hubert Gorbach in a letter to Alistar [sic] Darling, looking for a job...
              "Let me break this down for you, fresh from algebra II. A 95% chance to win 5 times means a (95*5) chance to win = 475% chance to win." Wiglaf, Court jester or hayseed, you judge.

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              • #52
                I might have run across a version of the Mahaparanibbana sutta of the Sutta Pitaka. This compilation of teachings was written several hundred years after Buddhas death and is thought to have been corrupted by Hindu influences.
                "I say shoot'em all and let God sort it out in the end!

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
                  I might have run across a version of the Mahaparanibbana sutta of the Sutta Pitaka. This compilation of teachings was written several hundred years after Buddhas death and is thought to have been corrupted by Hindu influences.
                  Unlikely. The Buddhism that was spread to China and Japan was, IIRC, spread before Hinduism made an impact on Buddhism. It is possible, however, that a later writing, adopted by the Japanese, was what you found.

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                  • #54
                    In five ways, young householder, should a wife as the West be ministered to by a husband:
                    (i) by being courteous to her,
                    (ii) by not despising her,
                    (iii) by being faithful to her,
                    (iv) by handing over authority to her,
                    (v) by providing her with adornments.
                    Seems quite progressive, given the time period. I got a kick out of (v).

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
                      Actually, only Chinese and Japanese Buddhas are chubby.


                      They're not chubby, either. The fat "Buddhas" you see in American Chinese restaurants are actually statues of Hotei (Jp.), the Chinese god of plenty.
                      No they are actually Americans
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                      • #56
                        Nah. Hotei always looks drunk, so he must be English...
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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
                          This 'pacifist' teacher condoned the beating of women.
                          I don't think this is so because it is so contradictory to many of Buddhism's core tenets.
                          The Buddha was, however, discriminatory to women initially in that he was very reluctant to allow nuns to join the sangha.

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                          • #58
                            The best religion is no religion.

                            I watched a documentary on Buddha, quite interesting, he was born before Jesus and taught similar things as Jesus.

                            He fasted for a long time, almost to death, when he came out of it, he realised it was a mistake to fast; so he ate properly after that. He was simply a guy trying to figure out how to be a good person. He succeeded to a degree higher than anyone else had before (and possibly even after him), but he wasn't perfectly good. Like so many will claim him to be. He was just a human, what more can we expect?
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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Sn00py
                              The best religion is no religion.
                              I very much agree, but Buddhism, depending on who you ask, is not a religion per se. Buddhists don't worship a deity. Someone who watches a monk bowing before a statue of the Buddha may think so, but the monk is actually simply acknowledging his own buddha-nature when he does that. He is recognizing his own inner-divinity rather than that of an outside god.

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                              • #60
                                I know. What I was pointing out is that people turn good things into bad things very quickly.
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