If you do not accept Jesus, he flatly proclaimed to his class, "you belong in hell."

[aneeshm]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Aneeshm is the last person who should be complaining about this.

Eh? What?

[Dinner]

I prediict the system works as designed and the teacher gets punished. Unfortunately, maybe not fired and just administratively punished but he won't soon do something like this in a classroom again.

Mission accomplished.

[Odin]

Originally posted by Oerdin


I must say the Catholic view makes more sense and I say that as a guy who was raised nominally Protestant. So if everyone who ever lived goes to hell unless they accept Jesus as their personal savior then what happens to the millions of people who lived and died prior to the birth of Jesus? I guess they're all in hell but I must say a god would have to be an evil god to condemn everyone to hell without even giving them a chance to be saved. I mean it is crazy to say EVERYONE goes to hell unless Jesus is your savior but then not to send the savior for thousands of years knowing full well that everyone alive will then be sent to hell.

Relion is junk. Don't believe it.

I was raised (nominally) as a Lutheran, so I got fed all that "you are saved by faith alone" crap in Sunday School and Confirmation; fortunately my parents have a much more enlightened view that seems more like some form of liberal Unitarianism then anything else, they just call themselves Lutherans out of habit since they and I grew up in a rural area dominated by Lutherans of Scandinavian and German decent.

[Barnabas]

The bible mentions that you are saved by faith and not by the work of the laws (I am not sure how to translate that from spanish into english) works of the laws obviously means the jewish laws about clean ness, food etc.

But, the only versicle of the bible that mentions faith alone, says that you are NOT saved by faith alone, not that you ARE saved by faith alone.


James 2:24
"You see then that by works, a man is justified, and not only by faith."

[Barnabas]

BTW, Luther thought of removing the book of james from the bible because of that

[Heresson]

Which shows in what great mistake he was and how right papacy was fighting his heresy

[Proteus_MST]

Originally posted by Brachy-Pride
The bible mentions that you are saved by faith and not by the work of the laws (I am not sure how to translate that from spanish into english) works of the laws obviously means the jewish laws about clean ness, food etc.

But, the only versicle of the bible that mentions faith alone, says that you are NOT saved by faith alone, not that you ARE saved by faith alone.


James 2:24
"You see then that by works, a man is justified, and not only by faith."

That´s the main problem of the fundamentalist approach of seeing in the bible the absolute truth and words given to mankind by god himself instead of seeing the bible as a collection of books asssembled and written be humans.

Often it is easy to find enough references in the bible which support certain standpoints, even these standpoints contradict themselves

(Here a nice link to the problem with the truth in the bible and of the problems of fundamentslists )

[Jon Miller]

Justification being different than sanctification or grace.

My denomination has a whole bunch of theology on the subject.

JM

[KrazyHorse]

Horse hockey.

That's a cheap argument.

[chequita guevara]

We've been having a problem with this here in Broward County. The religion department in the community college system has been taken over by right-wing evangelists, and they basically teach all the classes from their religious perspective. It's been in the local alternative press, but neither the county nor the main stream press have seen fit to do anything about it.

[Dr Strangelove]

The student breached the teacher's civil rights by recording his statements without the teacher's permission. If the teacher is fired the student should be prosecuted. Oh heck, the student should be prosecuted anyway.

[DaShi]

Re: Re: Re: If you do not accept Jesus, he flatly proclaimed to his class, "you belong in

Originally posted by aneeshm


Nope. It's not a punishment, it's an evolution. The same way that we all have to pass through stages in life, most of us have to pass through different births in order to learn life's lessons and to work out our karma.

And being human is not the ultimate reward, but it is the last stage - only a being in the human form can attain to enlightenment. Even though there are forms more subtle and higher than the human one (siddhas, yakshas, charanas, gandharvas, gods), only a human can free himself from the cycle of life and death and rebirth. Usually, once you incarnate as a human, you usually re-incarnate as a human, too, unless you forget some lesson.

Buddhism is very much like the religion I made up before I knew more about it (and I still don't know that much). The main difference is that rather everyone having an individual journey, we all share the same one because there is only one soul or one individual in the universe. I wonder if I'm a reincarnation of Buddha or something.

[aneeshm]

Re: Re: If you do not accept Jesus, he flatly proclaimed to his class, "you belong in

Originally posted by DaShi


Buddhism is very much like the religion I made up before I knew more about it (and I still don't know that much). The main difference is that rather everyone having an individual journey, we all share the same one because there is only one soul or one individual in the universe. I wonder if I'm a reincarnation of Buddha or something.

That's quite close to Shankara's Advaita Vedanta, in fact. Hell, it is Advaita Vedanta.

EDIT: Typo

[DaShi]

I am an a reincarnation!

[monolith94]

Aneesh - the Vyâdha-Gitâ - is that different from the bhagavad gita?