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  • If you do not accept Jesus, he flatly proclaimed to his class, "you belong in hell."

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    Kearny, New Jersey
    November 10, 2006

    A history teacher at the local public high school here may have bitten off more than he cares to chew this fall. Self-described conservative Baptist David Paszkiewicz used his history class to proselytize biblical fundamentalism over the course of several days at the beginning of this school year.

    Among his remarks in open class were statements that a being must have created the universe, that the Christian Bible is the word of God, and that dinosaurs were aboard Noah's ark. If you do not accept Jesus, he flatly proclaimed to his class, "you belong in hell." Referring to a Muslim student who had been mentioned by name, he lamented what he saw as her inevitable fate should she not convert. In an attempt to promote biblical creationism, he also dismissed evolution and the Big Bang as non-scientific, arguing by contrast that the Bible is supported by what he calls confirmed biblical prophecies.

    After taking the matter to the school administration, one of Paszkiewicz's students, junior Matthew LaClair, requested a meeting with the teacher and the school principal. LaClair, a non-Christian, was requesting an apology and correction of false and anti-scientific statements. After two weeks, a meeting took place in the principal's office, wherein Paszkiewicz denied making many of these comments, claiming that LaClair had taken his remarks out of context. Paszkiewicz specifically denied using the phrase, "you belong in hell." He also asserted that he did nothing different in this class than he has been doing in fifteen years of teaching.

    At the end of the meeting, LaClair revealed that he had recorded the remarks, and presented the principal with two compact discs. The teacher then declined to comment further without his union representative. However, he fired one last shot at the student, saying, "You got the big fish ... you got the big Christian guy who is a teacher...!"

    Commenting on the situation, LaClair's father, attorney Paul LaClair said, "In a few short weeks, this teacher has displayed bigotry, hypocrisy, arrogance and an appalling ignorance of science. The school's administrators seem not to appreciate the damage this man is doing to young minds. He has some real abilities as a teacher, but this conduct is the intellectual equivalent of the school cafeteria serving sawdust."

    The student and his parents have requested that the teacher's anti-scientific remarks be corrected in open class, and that the school develop quality control procedures to ensure that future classes are not proselytized and misinformed. They have also referred the matter for disciplinary action. No apology has been forthcoming from the teacher or from the school. The parents state that because of the administration's inaction, they have taken the matter to the school board this week, from whom they are awaiting a response.
    Some local press from this story is expected this week; the blogosphere may generate more attention.

    (This came to my attention from a post on the SKEPTIC list by Paul Harrison--thanks, Paul.)

    UPDATE (November 15, 2006): This story has now been reported in the Newark Star-Ledger.

    UPDATE: The Jersey Journal has picked up the story and put some of the audio online. The story is also being picked up by NYC-area radio and television--the LaClairs have been interviewed by or have scheduled interviews with WCBS radio, 1010 WINS radio, Fox 5 News, and NBC 4 News.

    Nice to see tolerance being practiced in the classroom. I wish some Hindu or Buddhist in that class had told him that he'd be re-incarnated as a dog, for that was the way his karma was tending (slavishly following your religious master and all that).

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    It is the general belief of christian fundamentalists.

    As long as you don´t accept Jesus as your Savior you go straight to hell, no matter how many good things you did in your life on earth.

    The only difference is that most fundamentalists don´t talk about it so openly as this teacher did to his students.
    Tamsin (Lost Girl): "I am the Harbinger of Death. I arrive on winds of blessed air. Air that you no longer deserve."
    Tamsin (Lost Girl): "He has fallen in battle and I must take him to the Einherjar in Valhalla"

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Proteus_MST
      It is the general belief of christian fundamentalists.

      As long as you don´t accept Jesus as your Savior you go straight to hell, no matter how many good things you did in your life on earth.

      The only difference is that most fundamentalists don´t talk about it so openly as this teacher did to his students.

      Mrtin Luther himself had that view. While Catholics held that good deeds are required, to Luther only the quality of faith itself is the key to the Kingdom.
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      • #4
        One thing I've never understood about the "orhodoxy = righteousness" mentality is the "god-fearing" part that's often mixed in. There's no risk of going to your divine judgment and being told "whatsoever you do to the least of my people, that you do unto me, and guess what, you were kind of a jerk to the least of my people, off to hell you go!", because the only thing that matters is your belief that you're going to heaven. So if you believe that you're going to heaven, then you can conclude that you're going to heaven. What's there to fear, then? In other words, how is it possible to believe that you're going to heaven and to fear god's wrath? It seems to me that you've already exempted yourself from god's wrath.
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        • #5
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          • #6
            As far as I understand the fundamentalist belief,
            your faith is judged at your death.

            If from the beginning on you just plan on doing bad things and then in the last moment prior to your death accept Jesus as your savior to get to heaven, god will know of this and you are sent to hell because your belief wasn´t sincere.
            But if you however didn´t plan this in advance (for example also because you didn´t hear of Jesus before) do bad things in your life like murdering and raping people and then in the last moments of your life (for example in the death cell prior to your execution) meet a priest who converts you to accept Jesus as your savior (and your belief is sincere) you get to heaven.
            Therefore I think according to the fundamentalists it is also the intentions you have with your faith that matter, if you try to abuse it you´re screwed regardless of your faith.

            If however you do good things and help lots of people through all of your life but believe in Buddha and don´t accept Jesus as savior you´re thrown to hell

            I´m not sure but I think the main intention of Martin Luther for introducing this principle was just to have an argument against the letters of indulgence which were issued by the cartholic church for lots of money.
            As the catholic church said that you could save yourself by doing good deeds on earth (i.e. buying lettters of indulgence ) he said that doing such things don´t matter, but iot is only faith that matters.

            I think this thing was just oversimplified by the protestant fundamentalist into the black white thinking that you just have to accept Jesus as your savior to get saved (and all of the others who don´t accept him get thrown to hell)
            Tamsin (Lost Girl): "I am the Harbinger of Death. I arrive on winds of blessed air. Air that you no longer deserve."
            Tamsin (Lost Girl): "He has fallen in battle and I must take him to the Einherjar in Valhalla"

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            • #7
              I'd have taken the occasion to have a bit of fun especially of this lasted more than one day. Would have taken the oportunity to do a little research and came bac k the next day with biblic al support for the fact gays aren't the spawn of the devil, evolution isn't a plot by the devil, and what not. It would have been like the return of Civie for me.
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              • #8
                Dinos in the NOah's ark.. this man should be fired if he is a teacher in public school, just for claiming this.
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                • #9
                  The reason Christians believe that you must accept Jesus before going to heaven is that accepting Jesus is the only way to get your sins forgiven. If you have unforgiven sins you can't get to heaven.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Will9
                    The reason Christians believe that you must accept Jesus before going to heaven is that accepting Jesus is the only way to get your sins forgiven. If you have unforgiven sins you can't get to heaven.
                    Ah yes, Jesus the moral accountant. Auditing the sins of true believers, and attending to the painstaking balancing of ledgers, to determine the correct amount of purgatory tax owing and the tax-code for the afterlife.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Pekka
                      Dinos in the NOah's ark.. this man should be fired if he is a teacher in public school, just for claiming this.
                      Yes.
                      Every true fundamentalist should know that there were no dinosaurs on the arc and the flood was the reason the dinosaurs went extinct
                      Tamsin (Lost Girl): "I am the Harbinger of Death. I arrive on winds of blessed air. Air that you no longer deserve."
                      Tamsin (Lost Girl): "He has fallen in battle and I must take him to the Einherjar in Valhalla"

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Proteus_MST
                        It is the general belief of christian fundamentalists.

                        As long as you don´t accept Jesus as your Savior you go straight to hell, no matter how many good things you did in your life on earth.

                        The only difference is that most fundamentalists don´t talk about it so openly as this teacher did to his students.
                        Well, I don't beleive in hell as a lot of christian fundamentalists do.

                        But look at all the bad things that people do in their lives. Almost always there is way more bad then good.. and at least in ouir legal system you don't get to murder someone because you helped a lady across the street.

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                        • #13
                          Then the teacher should be fired. Period.

                          There should be no second chances for ass holes who do **** like that.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Cort Haus


                            Ah yes, Jesus the moral accountant. Auditing the sins of true believers, and attending to the painstaking balancing of ledgers, to determine the correct amount of purgatory tax owing and the tax-code for the afterlife.
                            Not how many Christians beleive.. only catholics have purgatory.

                            The truth is that there isn't any place of eternal suffering (hell). There is the cessation of existence. Which we all deserve (we are all sinners).

                            But through Christ, are sins might be forgiven. Then we don't get what we deserve (Death).

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Wernazuma III

                              Mrtin Luther himself had that view. While Catholics held that good deeds are required, to Luther only the quality of faith itself is the key to the Kingdom.
                              I must say the Catholic view makes more sense and I say that as a guy who was raised nominally Protestant. So if everyone who ever lived goes to hell unless they accept Jesus as their personal savior then what happens to the millions of people who lived and died prior to the birth of Jesus? I guess they're all in hell but I must say a god would have to be an evil god to condemn everyone to hell without even giving them a chance to be saved. I mean it is crazy to say EVERYONE goes to hell unless Jesus is your savior but then not to send the savior for thousands of years knowing full well that everyone alive will then be sent to hell.

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