Jesus Camp is Terrorist Camp

[Dinner]

They had her on NPR last night where she more or less white washed the whole thing as saying she wanted peaceful soldiers for Jesus instead of bomb packing, gun shooting soldiers for Jesus. It did sound like she wanted a Crusade.

[Pekka]

Well she should have pointed that out earlier

AND even if she says so, it makes no difference, since the methods used to teach these kids were straight out of AQ camp.

I mean the level of indoctrinating, I wonder if that was plain illegal. Should be. No matter WHAT you teach, that shoudl be illegal. It was effective and sick. Brainwashing that is.

It's really sad too, that Levi kid.. he was smart and all that, he could speak well. He'd get all the opportunities in the world but instead he's caught in this cult now. Really sad.

This camp also resemlbed the camp on Apocalypse Now where Cpt Kurtz has gone insane and had his own little insanity camp.. yeah, it was pretty much the same there.

ANd some of the parents seemed to be as ****ed up in the head as the leader.

ANd damn well that leader wants a crusade. There's no question about it. Since when did fat, stupid and hateful ladies become powerful like that? Only in America

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Flip McWho
Was thinking that the only difference between these guys and Muslim terrorists is that these ones aren't desparate yet.

You know, I got that same impression. They feel like they have enough power over the process, but if they didn't, they wouldn't mind terrorism to accomplish their goals. I got the feeling that the only thing she didn't like about Muslim terrorists was that they were heathens, but their tactics were alright.

[DaShi]

Protestants. God should have let us finish them off when we had the chance.

[Pekka]

Imran, not only that but actual admiration. What they thought was their courage to die, and not even be afraid. Even the kids admired it, it is as if their goal was to be as brave as them. Not be afraid to die.

But not in the context of being afraid to die as we feel it. In terms of COMBAT. That was the context at all times.

Very disturbing. To me, the whole camp was about getting ready to do what is told and ask questions or be afraid of dying. It was also about 'we are the carriers of truth and others simply got it wrong'. It was also about politics. Seems weird to me, to teach your political beliefs to kids of those ages.

The woman said herself, when you get the kids at this age, the chances are they won't change. When we see change as development, building your character and knowlewdge, they were all about denying other ways, anti-science and anti-everyone who wasn't with them.

I simply don't know what more could have been done there to make it more terrorist-like. All the elements were there.

I simply don't see how someone can defend this, unless you believe in future crusades and 'taking back the country' and the world at process.

These maniacs do not believe in freedom, they do not believe in equality of man, all they believe is extreme fundamentalism where ends justify all action, pretty much like terrorists do.

[chequita guevara]

Actually, the camp is being shut down by the owners because of the association with that outed gay preacher in Colorado. For a few years so they say.

[Pekka]

They are all brought up to be eager to be a martyr. Sick ****.

It seems to me these fundamental movements with religious context that are closing to terrorism or terrorist already, they have many things in common that separates them from everyone else.

Also one interesting point I'd like to bring here is that the leaders and movers of these movements are usually very intelligent. We are talking about the very top of the human brand, as far as intelligence goes. What these intelligent people usually do when they go to this level is that they see the corruption, they basically see that we are closing to the times of Rome, no moral fiber, people are stupid, people are sheep, lazy, corrupted and are part of the problem.

So these intelligent people usually are able to gather a core group around them, and after that gather and recruit lots of people, who buy into their own ideology after sets of what seems to be logical steps. AFter that becomes the revalation. They go through 'aah' experience when they are able to identify what the master spoke in their own life.

And this is easy, because they were stupid to begin with, so they prolly never thought anything themselves, so they are seeing things the never saw before, so it supports the theory and ideology, but what they also buy is the methods and the results of what the leader says. The authority is never questioned.

So now you have your foot soldiers, of course you can' just whip out your rage right then, you train them ideologically first and kind of slip the idea little by little, that this calls for radical measures and that they are justified - because the future depends on this.

At this point the stupid ones are still in attendance, those who woke up already left.

This is pretty much how these ideological based groups born and it's so easy for the leaders to move these people it's scary.

Of course during this process the leaders not only realize their true potential, but also get the power and get high off of it. And the sheeps who follow finally get meaning to their little lives. But at the end, the meaning of their lives is to destroy the lives of others. Everyone who is not with them, because those who are not with them are part of the problem, the problem of corruption and are in the way of better future. And as they are participants to the problem unknowingly, they prolly are the worst catalyst for the corruption in their sick little minds.

THis is very much what the racial purity fanatics are about. The worst enemy is the, say white man, who is not with them. The one who for example dates a person of other race, that's like the worst enemy, worse than the other race, worse than your opponents.

[Pekka]

And let's not forget that many of us condemn muslim populations around the world when we see their indoctrination to hatred and getting ready to do combat and die for the cause of God.

We get sick when we see that and we blame the general population for allowing this to happen and the picture is very clear to us.

Let's not make the same mistake and become hypocrites.

[Pekka]

I'd also like to point out an observation, that in cases of few ME countries and their indoctrination of children, I mean at least they have more excuses. I am NOT defending this, I'ms aying they have more motivation for such action, as in we are usually actively or inactively in those nations and dominate them with economic and military force. So they're pissed off anyway.

It doesn't matter who is right or wrong, but they still have reasons to be pissed off. We are here, relatively safe. We're not in combat zones. Our economies are pretty good. We have opportunities. But these folks, many of them are poor, continue to be poor without chances and the only forces that have some power are these terrorist groups, puppet governments don't carry the same power, and there's no one else. So there's more reasons why it is easier to fall into this trap of hatred there.

But while we do it here with comfortable summer camps, that's just even more ****ed up.

[DRoseDARs]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Actually, the camp is being shut down by the owners because of the association with that outed gay preacher in Colorado. For a few years so they say.

Yeah, until the current crop of terrorists is old enough to pump out the next generation of terrorists.

[Flip McWho]

Yeah that lady definitely admired the level of muslim fanaticism.

It's also one of the main reasons I'm against home schooling in general. I acknowledge that home schooling can provide excellent education but on the whole (imo) it's used by people who don't agree with the 'mainstream' view and wish to alienate their kids and teach them what the parents believe.

The other thing that freaks me out is the whole speaking in tongues stuff.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
I thought it was well known that there were crazy christians, just like in every other major group?

It is not like this is even a sizeable minority. I mean, most people havn't heard of my denomination, and we have several order of magnitude more people than those engaged in Jesus Camp.

JM

There was the same sort of thing 1000 years ago too. Disappointed millenarian nuts who wanted to help the Apocalypse along since it didn't seem to come on its own.

[Gatekeeper]

Y'know what's ironic? The woman leading the camp of wannabe Jesus Stormtroopers doesn't look like she could survive more than five minutes on an actual battlefield. Hell, she'd probably freeze like a deer caught in the headlights of an onrushing vehicle and get splattered all over the place.

Gatekeeper

[DRoseDARs]

Why do you think she's training these minions?

[Gatekeeper]

So she can sit on her ass at Jesus Stormtrooper Headquarters and watch the mayhem and bloodshed unfold from the comfort of her recliner.

Gatekeeper