If you are a citizen of another country and there is a draft,will they ship you back?

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by notyoueither


Yeah, there's the communism.

We don't give a **** to contribute, but we want our due.

How many times do I have to say it: I'm not against it because of the imposition on the individual's rights, but because of the fact that I want to live in a society where the electorate represents the largest piece of the population as is feasible.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse

Way to avoid the question.

I didn't avoid any question.

The difference is giving some emphasis to the idea of service as opposed to eveyone simply being entitled while never lifting a finger.

Most people work for a living, pay their taxes, obey the law and live useful lives. I hardly call that "never lifting a finger".

Then why the objection to service?

Why not?

It's peace time. You sign up. You do what you are good at and will put your heart into.

So basically it's the same as any other young person's job except you do what the government tells you instead of going out yourself and finding something you want to do?

Yes, but you may be directed to areas that most young people would never consider, like building infrastructure in remote areas or helping people in far away lands get the basics of what our ancestors would have called minimal services.

As you point out, other countries do it. Surely it must be economical.

Soviet Russia had collectivized farms. Surely it must have been economical.

I find comparisons between the econonmics of the Soviet Union and modern western European countries pretty interesting. Do you want to continue down this path?

You are limiting it. Just because you are limiting it by virtue of a choice to be made instead of by birth or by wealth doesn't mean it's not a limitation.

And?

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse


How many times do I have to say it: I'm not against it because of the imposition on the individual's rights, but because of the fact that I want to live in a society where the electorate represents the largest piece of the population as is feasible.

Then encourage being an elector as being something of value and not being just another 'useless' thing about our modern society.

[notyoueither]

I am pretty sure of what would happen if kids were told that there was a test coming up, and if they pass it they get something important, and if they fail they do not get it.

I'm pretty sure kids would put as much importance into their citizenship as they place in their drivers' licences.

It's amazing what they do to get those things. How they fixate over being allowed to drive or not. Even if they never will own a car and just want to use their parents car the odd Sunday.

It's a right of passage that they have to earn, and that assigns it some real value. They pay a great deal of attention to the rules of the road. Let them also pay some attention to the rules of citizenship.

[notyoueither]

At the very least, think about it because the bugs may be out there.

[Vesayen]

Originally posted by Zkribbler
Canada won't ship you back even if you aren't Canadian.

Common misconception. They will. Times have changed.

Originally posted by notyoueither
Everyone who turns 18 or 21 or pick your age, owes the state 1 or 2 years of service.

Whether you wear a uniform and carry a gun, or you count beans for the federal or other level of governments, or you pick up trash, no matter.

No selection involved. Everyone has to do it, if you want to be able to vote. Pretty simple.

If I got paid a reasonable wage-not neccesarily high, but 3 or 4 times minimum wage, providing I could avoid combat, I'd sign up. It would be good for the country and also, proboably a good career for anyone who plans to enter a "professional" field.

[Vesayen]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
They wouldn't. And I don't want to live in that society.

Your scheme would further polarise society into those who care and those who don't. It would not, despite your wishful thinking, make those who don't care care.

I would. Screw those who don't care.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Vesayen



Common misconception. They will. Times have changed.

No, we wouldn't.

We will ship back deserters.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Vesayen



I would. Screw those who don't care.

In general, anything you're for I'm proud to be against.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Vesayen

Common misconception. They will. Times have changed.

I searched, briefly, for dodgers being shipped back. I know there were some immigration cases pending, but I didn't find anything.

Have you a source of a recent dodger being shipped back?

[Vesayen]

Yes, as I said, Canada ships back draft dodgers now.




I'd support some sort of civics test to be allowed to vote, but there is no fair way to establish one.

There are lots of people I do not want voting, but, I want it to be fair and egalitarian on who is excluded. I don't want the ignorant AND the apathetic to vote, one or the other, but not both.

Why not exclude based on national service being required to vote? Perfectly egalitarian, those who don't care, don't get to vote.

I fail to see how voting is a natural human right.

[Vesayen]

Originally posted by notyoueither


I searched, briefly, for dodgers being shipped back. I know there were some immigration cases pending, but I didn't find anything.

Have you a source of a recent dodger being shipped back?

No, but I could of sworn I read about canadian policy changing recently.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse

We will ship back deserters.

Ahh. Desertion would be a crime here.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Vesayen
Yes, as I said, Canada ships back draft dodgers now.

When was the last time you had a draft to dodge, numbskull?

[notyoueither]

OTOH, many of the 'dodgers' of the Vietnam era were deserters.

I knew a guy who deserted the USMC. He got a job as a trucker. He got arrested at the border on a trip. He was not the brightest bulb to ever be exported from the American factory of light.