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  • French troops 'came close to shooting down Israeli jets'

    By Angela Charlton in Paris
    Published: 10 November 2006

    The French government has demanded that Israel stop mock raids over Lebanon after French peacekeepers came within seconds of shooting down Israeli warplanes.

    Israeli officials said the flights were needed to monitor Lebanese compliance with UN demands, but the French Defence Minister, Michele Alliot-Marie, said the attitude of the Israeli planes was "absolutely inadmissible" after Israeli F-15 fighters nose-dived repeatedly over French peacekeepers' positions in southern Lebanon on 31 October.

    "Our troops barely avoided a catastrophe," Alliot-Marie told the French parliament. "Our troops find themselves in a position where they have to fire in legitimate self defence."

    Defence Ministry officials would not elaborate on why the French troops decided not to fire, nor explain why they waited eight days to announce the incident.

    The mock raids by warplanes last week were Israel's strongest show of force since August.

    In response to the incident, the French Defence Ministry has demanded that the flights are stopped.

    Unifil reported 14 Israeli air violations on 31 October, including three over the headquarters of the French battalion in Froun.

    Milos Strugar, senior adviser to the Unifil commander, said the flights violated resolution 1701, which calls for both sides to respect the UN boundary drawn by the UN after Israel ended its occupation of southern Lebanon in 2000.

    Israeli military officials reiterated yesterday that the flights were for intelligence gathering.

    The French government has demanded that Israel stop mock raids over Lebanon after French peacekeepers came within seconds of shooting down Israeli warplanes.

    Israeli officials said the flights were needed to monitor Lebanese compliance with UN demands, but the French Defence Minister, Michele Alliot-Marie, said the attitude of the Israeli planes was "absolutely inadmissible" after Israeli F-15 fighters nose-dived repeatedly over French peacekeepers' positions in southern Lebanon on 31 October.

    "Our troops barely avoided a catastrophe," Alliot-Marie told the French parliament. "Our troops find themselves in a position where they have to fire in legitimate self defence."

    Defence Ministry officials would not elaborate on why the French troops decided not to fire, nor explain why they waited eight days to announce the incident.

    The mock raids by warplanes last week were Israel's strongest show of force since August.

    In response to the incident, the French Defence Ministry has demanded that the flights are stopped.

    Unifil reported 14 Israeli air violations on 31 October, including three over the headquarters of the French battalion in Froun.

    Milos Strugar, senior adviser to the Unifil commander, said the flights violated resolution 1701, which calls for both sides to respect the UN boundary drawn by the UN after Israel ended its occupation of southern Lebanon in 2000.

    Israeli military officials reiterated yesterday that the flights were for intelligence gathering.
    I ****ing wish they had done to teach the arrogant ****ers a lesson...


    Funny how the Israelis don't give a flying **** (literally!) about UN resolutions...

    C'mon Frenchies - please, please shoot down an Israeli plane!
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  • #2
    Sounds like the French have every right to do so
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    • #3
      And the German Navy a week or two before...

      This trust, though, suddenly doesn't seem to go very far. Last Tuesday six Israeli F-16 fighter jets sped at low altitude over the Alster, a part of the German flotilla. At the time the vessel was cruising in international waters some 50 nautical miles off Israel's coast just south of the border with Lebanon. The Israeli jets allegedly fired two shots from its canon before it released flares normally meant to confuse enemy air-defense missiles. "At sea, that sort of thing is not done even as a joke amongst friends," said the German Chief of Staff Wolfgang Nolting in Berlin angrily.
      Maybe they were scoping out another USS Liberty style attack and seeing if they can blame it on Hezbollah...
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      • #4
        The French are going to surrender and retreat soon .
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Solver
          The French are going to surrender and retreat soon .
          Figures an Israeli sympathiser would come out with a dumbass comment like that...
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          • #6
            the surrendering French joke is getting really old and lame.
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            • #7
              the surrendering French joke is getting really old and lame.


              And the French better shut up and sit quietly if they don't want the joke to become relevant again.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Eli
                the surrendering French joke is getting really old and lame.


                And the French better shut up and sit quietly if they don't want the joke to become relevant again.
                I couldn't have asked for a more perfect reply to a thread dealing with the arrogance of the Israelis...
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                • #9
                  I'm curious if France is showing such steel when it come to the other part of thier mandate when it comes to the interception of unauthorized weapons to Hezbollah.

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                  • #10
                    Mobius' glee at a potential confrontation, and his annoyance at it having not escalated is pretty disturbing. Haven't people round there suffered enough?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by MOBIUS


                      Figures an Israeli sympathiser would come out with a dumbass comment like that...
                      I'm actually torn between sympathy towards Israel and the inability to take French seriously .
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                      • #12
                        A good peacekeeper will respond to the action itself, regardless of which party is responsible. A violation is a violation. Period.
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                        • #13
                          Well, seeing as Hezbollah has proved itself to be a more effective fighting force than the Israeli Army, it stands to reason that France should big itself up against the weaker of the two regional powers...
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Sandman
                            Mobius' glee at a potential confrontation, and his annoyance at it having not escalated is pretty disturbing. Haven't people round there suffered enough?
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                            • #15
                              Speaking of which, this makes me wonder if the French have any guts when it comes to stopping arms smuggling and preventing armed Hezbollah activity - which is the stated purpose of that peacekeeping force in Lebanon. Then again, given how most of Europe regularly sides against Israel, there's no reason to be overtly confident in the peacekeeping force...
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