Sick: Man rapes his own mother

[General Ludd]

Re: Sick: Man rapes his own mother

Originally posted by Dis

I'm still a little confused how this could be revenge on his brother. Shouldn't he rape his brother instead?

Maybe his brother and his mother where lovers.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Wycoff


So rape of a child is no worse than rape of an adult?

No, it's not. Rape is rape.

[Jaguar]

Originally posted by General Ludd


No, it's not. Rape is rape.

That's stupid.

If I punched a grown man, would that be as bad as punching a little kid?

[Odin]

Please excuse me while I puke...

[Dis]

brings up an interesting question of defense. People view children as helpless and weak, thus it's a more serious crime to do bad things to them. I'm not sure how the rest of the world/country is, but in my area, we also have harsher punishment for crimes to the elderly. So to extend this argument, is rape of an 88 year old woman worse than rape of a 21 year old woman?

Or to get aside from the topic of rape, how about regular assault? Should an assault on a small, weak man be worse than assault on a larger man?

Or you could say that crimes against children are worse because they are sweet and innocent. But I think you can make many cases for adults who are sweet and innocent. Myself, for example. I am sweet and innocent (I'm practically a virgin ). Okay, that's stretching it. What about crimes against the disabled? They are innocent. Many of them are probably virgins as well. Hell, you have some judges who think rape of a prostitute isn't that bad.

Perhaps, I'm disproving my own argument. But I'm open to discussion. It's something I never thought much about before.

[Wycoff]

Originally posted by Dis
Or to get aside from the topic of rape, how about regular assault? Should an assault on a small, weak man be worse than assault on a larger man?

That sort of thing is factored into criminal sentencing. A 21 year old who beats up a frail 80 year old would typically get a more severe punishment than a 21 year old who beats up a physically fit 21 year old.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Jaguar

That's stupid.

If I punched a grown man, would that be as bad as punching a little kid?

While rape is rape, punching is not rape.


EDIT: And yes, it would be.

[Pekka]

rape is a rape. That's the best backup I've ever heard.

[Wezil]

Originally posted by General Ludd
Rape is rape.

Are you also against 'hate crimes'?

ie Assault is bad but assault for reasons of 'hate' are worse?

[Elok]

Okay, what does Winston say to the arguments about punching an adult vs. a child, etc.? GL doesn't buy them, but then his opinions are, well, different.

Myself, I think this is especially heinous because he owed a certain amount of gratitude to the woman who gave him life and raised him. Injustice to a benefactor is worse than injustice to a stranger or friend, isn't it?

The punching a child comparisons don't apply too well when we're discussing raping one's own mother, since mothers are not intrinsically weaker and more vulnerable than other women who are the same in other respects. Unless you mean that the 15+ year age gap which must exist between them puts her at an automatic disadvantage...which I suppose is true, but it's hardly the worst part of it.

I haven't read the case in question (I really don't care to expose my stomach to that), so I'm arguing universally here.

EDIT: Looking back on this, you can really tell I'm reading Aristotle in class, can'tcha? "Injustice."

And Wezil, I don't see why hate crimes should exist as separate offenses. To give lynching a black guy separate treatment from garden-variety murder, even if said treatment is harsher, feels like giving some sort of respect to the principles behind it. We don't need to make such people martyrs, we need to treat them like the common criminals they are. Furthermore, since the only distinction between said acts and other crimes is the opinions of those who commit them, and we are not constitutionally entitled to punish differences of opinion no matter how repugnant, hate crime laws feel like a way to weasel around the First Amendment. Not that I think they're passed with such nefarious intentions, but they're problematic at least.

[Winston]

Comparisons to murder are more appropriate than to punching somebody, for precisely the reason you gave, Elok. One victim is not intrinsically weaker than another in the face of a rape or murder, at least not enough to warrant dividing different instances into various categories of sickness. I certainly wouldn't regard the murder of an adult as less sick than that of a child. The same goes for rape.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Bet that little mother****er won't make it long in prison.

[Dis]

ahh, finally a correct usage of the mother****er word. It's nice we finally got an opportunity to use it.

[Dr Strangelove]

According to the article a dispute with his brother over a girlfriend caused this. Who was the brother's girlfriend, the mother? This just gets more twisted by the minute.

[Dr Strangelove]

This would have made a wonderful Andy of Mayberry episode, particularily if the crime were happened upon in flagrante delicato by Andy and Opie.