A Muslim Dr. Kills his wife.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by notyoueither
Public information does not have to conform to the same standards as criminal courts.

And there is an alledgedly dead person. One can wonder why that person is alledegedly dead, or if they will rise again like Lazerus.

This isn't a question about court standards. It's about the facts.

The wife is dead. That's a fact.

To say that she was murdered would be wrong, because we don't know if she was murdered. It is an allegation and that why we should be describing it as an allegation.

[Flip McWho]

To say that she was murdered would be wrong, because we don't know if she was murdered.

According to the OP the husband is responsible for the death, for the reason stated, so we do know it is murder. Assuming the OP is true of course.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Actually no boris wouldn't. The New Testiment replaced the Old Testiment including the various rules about not eating certain things or killing people for not doing (or doing) other things.

Jesus's teachings are what is gospel to a Christian not old testiment Jewish cannon.

That's what you say. Others believe otherwise.

Oh, and just when were the 10 commandments repealed?

[Wernazuma III]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Actually no boris wouldn't. The New Testiment replaced the Old Testiment including the various rules about not eating certain things or killing people for not doing (or doing) other things.

Jesus's teachings are what is gospel to a Christian not old testiment Jewish cannon.

First, the NT doesn't "replace" the OT, as you might know, but "fulfill" it. Secondly, let's agree that in Jewish faith that rule applies.


More on the topic, I find myself in between notyoueither and Oerdin. I don't think Islam is "unreformable", but it is very far from being reformed some day soon.
There are intellectual ways to ship around the reefs of orders for violence in the Quran (the afore mentioned historical relativism being one), but lamentably no mainstream muslim school actively goes for it. Most muslims either have some understanding and excuse for the violence or hide behind rather weak statements of "Islam is a religion of peace", underlining their moderate stand-point with even weaker theological quotes like "The Quran says 'there is no force in faith' " etc., without starting with their critique more at the roots.
Many muslims would not want to kill a convert, but they lack a theological/ideological basis of their own to fight that fundamentalism on the religious battleground.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Tingkai


This isn't a question about court standards. It's about the facts.

The wife is dead. That's a fact.

To say that she was murdered would be wrong, because we don't know if she was murdered. It is an allegation and that why we should be describing it as an allegation.

Long time in China?

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by notyoueither


Long time in China?

And your point is?

[notyoueither]

You seem to need the authorities to tell you what to think.

[Tingkai]

Oh-kay. Time to take your medication.

[Nubclear]

Presumptions of innocence are so quaint. We in America have already done away with such a terrorist and barbaric concept

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Killing converts isn't just a social tradition. It is explicitly ordered in the Koran. Just another reason why Islam is evil and unreformable.

The bible also orders people to kill anybody who works on the Sabbath Day by stoning.

And that you shall not kill, unless when YHWH orders you to, then it's just fine.

[Proteus_MST]

Honour killings are a real problem.

Here in germany we have them sometimes too (especially among muslims with turkish origin),
with families killing their daughters, just because, for example,
they had a christian boyfriend or because they didn´t want to marry the muslim man which her parents had destined to become her husband (which often also meant that she had to leave germany and immigrate into turkey).

The problem also is that the whole family plans the murder, but on court normally the youngest son takes all the blame for the murder, meaning that often he will only get a sentence for the murder according to the criminal law for youth offenders (which normally "just" consists of a couple of years in prison)
whereas his parents and brothers often get away free, because of lack of evidence (as, of course, all family member will testify the same, i.e. that only the youngest brother was involved)

I´m normally against death penalty, but in case of honour killings I´d really support it.

[Pekka]

mrt144, I don't know if they mentioned linux but I heard he screamed 'open source or death' and basically claimed that if the second tier internet becomes reality, he will kill a whole lot more people. He also had one request, that he could bring Eric Raymonds Jargon File of how to become a hacker with him to the jail.

Peace brother!

[VetLegion]

Originally posted by MRT144
he also aparently yelled out something about "linux being the one true way of OSes" while carrying out the murder.

What a truly despicable creature

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger

The bible also orders people to kill anybody who works on the Sabbath Day by stoning.

And that you shall not kill, unless when YHWH orders you to, then it's just fine.

See post 15.

[Elok]

Hmm, Molly's late.