Would you wear a pink shirt?

[Caligastia]

What is a "popped" collar?

[Dinner]

I believe it means to unbutton the top button.

[Caligastia]

Rip the button off or not button it up?

[Asher]

Pop the collar means to fold the collar up so it's not folded down like normal...kinda elvis-style.

[Caligastia]

Ah, I see.

[Provost Harrison]

Can you two please get back to the argument? I was enjoying it...

[Caligastia]

Ok, here's a question for Asher: is it manly to **** another man whilst wearing a frilly pink frock and lipstick? Wouldn't that prove masculinity in that it would show it is not tied to attire or sexual preference?

[Asher]

The problem here is all of your phobias are clouding your judgement.

Do you define manliness as heterosexuality, or somebody laden with testosterone and generally masculine in personality?

You can be extremely masculine while being homosexual, and you can be extremely feminine and heterosexual. There are correlations, but they're not exclusive.

In my opinion, men who have to put effort into acting masculine are not as masculine as those who don't (eg. "does this shirt make me look gay? OMG what if people think I'm gay!"). A real man doesn't give a ****.

I'm very masculine -- I've got a deep voice, I've got elevated levels of testosterone, I've obviously got an aggressive personality, and I go to the gym four days a week to work out. I typically wear jeans and hoodies, along with the odd Quiksilver/Billabong shirts -- simply because they're functional and comfortable. When I dress up formally, I do it to look sharp only. And in such a case, as many women and men alike will tell you, dark navy suits with pastel-colored shirts underneath (including light pink) is a very sharp look.

Whether I **** men or women doesn't make a difference. The point is I'm secure enough in my masculinity to not worry over the color of my shirt.

[Ming]

Hmmmmm.... where to begin...

First, enough with the personal crap
Second, back on topic... PLEASE
Three, also remember this is considered a family site by the owners...

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Asher
The problem here is all of your phobias are clouding your judgement.

Do you define manliness as heterosexuality, or somebody laden with testosterone and generally masculine in personality?

You can be extremely masculine while being homosexual, and you can be extremely feminine and heterosexual. There are correlations, but they're not exclusive.

In my opinion, men who have to put effort into acting masculine are not as masculine as those who don't (eg. "does this shirt make me look gay? OMG what if people think I'm gay!"). A real man doesn't give a ****.

I'm very masculine -- I've got a deep voice, I've got elevated levels of testosterone, I've obviously got an aggressive personality, and I go to the gym four days a week to work out. I typically wear jeans and hoodies, along with the odd Quiksilver/Billabong shirts -- simply because they're functional and comfortable. When I dress up formally, I do it to look sharp only. And in such a case, as many women and men alike will tell you, dark navy suits with pastel-colored shirts underneath (including light pink) is a very sharp look.

Whether I **** men or women doesn't make a difference. The point is I'm secure enough in my masculinity to not worry over the color of my shirt.

Would a real man not give a **** what anyone thought about his wearing a pink tutu?

[Asher]

The topic of the thread is the aversion to a certain color for fear that people would think one is gay.

Is it not on topic to discuss why such people think a simple color is enough to push them over the edge to the "gay side"?

[Asher]

Originally posted by Caligastia
Would a real man not give a **** what anyone thought about his wearing a pink tutu?

Depends on the situation, obviously.

If he was in ballet, then obviously, no.

(Yes, lots of very muscular, manly men do Ballet...not just flamers...)

[Caligastia]

What if he was to wear a dress? You wouldn't consider that to be unmanly attire?

[Asher]

What this boils down to is: "What is manly?"

To me, a man is confident. A man is the breadwinner in his family. A man is honest. A man is trustworthy. A man is assertive.

None of this has anything to do with shirt color except for confidence -- and obviously you lack that if you're concerned about such a simple thing.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Caligastia
What if he was to wear a dress? You wouldn't consider that to be unmanly attire?

Oh, this is brilliant. Go from a man's shirt to a dress in the same argument.

If a man is wearing women's clothing for anything other than a gag, of course this decreases his manliness.

That said, a man's shirt is not women's clothing. Nor are any specific colors restricted to a certain gender. In fact, women in blue dresses can be quite stunning...