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  • Why every religious conservative should consider Ronald Reagan worse than Stalin

    Abortion, as we know, is a murder of an innocent soul. Certainly this must be so - isn't this the assumption that most of the pro-life movement is based upon? Certainly references to the "abortion holocaust" and so on are often found in pro-life publications, along with dire talk about what a crime against humanity all those abortions are.

    Thus, politicians who sanction abortion must logically be blamed for those deaths. After all, if some country declared that, say, murdering Jews was no longer against the law we'd certainly blame them for those deaths, wouldn't we? And Ronald Reagan, in acts though not in words, sanctioned abortion. After 8 years of Reagan presidency, abortion was as legal as ever! There were 10 million legal abortions(1) committed during the Reagan presidency. Considering that two out of three of Reagan's Supreme Court justices were pro-choice, and that the Supreme Court seems to currently be the most important office in US as relating to whether abortion can be banned or not, we must then, by the virtue of his actions, consider Reagan to be culpable in those deaths.

    Stalin, on the other hand, was responsible for 20 million deaths. That is, some people claim that he was responsible for 20 million deaths, some claim that he's responsible for less, some that he's for more, but Robert Conquest is currently saying that it's 20 million and that's what we're going with, since Conquest is a good conservative and usually seems to be considered a good source by the same people who are outraged over abortion. However, during 20 years of Stalin's reign, abortion was banned. Thus, Stalin can't be blamed for any abortions for those years, any more than we blame any leader for ordinary murders committed during their reign, as murder is illegal. Stalin can be blamed for abortions in those 14 years of his rule that they were legal, but I haven't been able to find how many were actually done in Soviet Union during those years. Let's be wacky and say that it was 10 million. Sure, it probably wasn't nearly that number, but it doesn't really detract from the point that I'm aiming at here.

    Doing simple math, we see that during Reagan years there were 1,300,000 deaths per year caused by the state policy (and that's not even counting the deaths caused by US foreign policy!), while during for the 30 years of Stalin there were only a million dead per year (and that's using my inflated numbers.) Thus, Reagan was, logically (and conservatively!) speaking, worse than Stalin.

    Sure, it's not like I'm making a serious argument here, especially considering that I'm generally pro-choice myself these days, but is there, you know, any actual fault in this argument here? If we assume that abortion kills a living soul, especially?

    (1) rough estimate, based on 1,300,000 abortions done in 1981. If anything, there probably were more than 10 million abortions during the Reagan reign, since abortion rate kept rising.
    "Spirit merges with matter to sanctify the universe. Matter transcends to return to spirit. The interchangeability of matter and spirit means the starlit magic of the outermost life of our universe becomes the soul-light magic of the innermost life of our self." - Dennis Kucinich, candidate for the U. S. presidency
    "That’s the future of the Democratic Party: providing Republicans with a number of cute (but not that bright) comfort women." - Adam Yoshida, Canada's gift to the world

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    It's a good point. I mean outside of a few speeches, what did Reagan ever do for the pro-life side? He nominated more moderates to the Supreme Court than conservatives (O'Connor and Kennedy compared to Scalia) and really didn't make it a focus. And if someone stands by while it is going on, is he just as bad? It's just rhetoric then.
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    • #3
      In fairness, old Ronnie probably never had a clue it was going on. That's his defence to all issues, up to and including the failures of his own bowel control.
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      • #4
        Read Abortion & the Conscience of the Nation.

        Realise that no President rallied stronger against abortion than Ronald Reagan.

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        • #5
          Well that rallying certainly lead to two out of three of Reagan's Supreme Court Justice nomineed being pro-choice!

          Incidentally you'd think that the presidents who actually kept the thing illegal could be considered to have rallied against it stronger but nooooooo
          "Spirit merges with matter to sanctify the universe. Matter transcends to return to spirit. The interchangeability of matter and spirit means the starlit magic of the outermost life of our universe becomes the soul-light magic of the innermost life of our self." - Dennis Kucinich, candidate for the U. S. presidency
          "That’s the future of the Democratic Party: providing Republicans with a number of cute (but not that bright) comfort women." - Adam Yoshida, Canada's gift to the world

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          • #6
            They had other qualities that merited their nomination.

            Key word: Nomination.

            I took it to be implied I referred to Presidents post-Roe vs Wade.

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            • #7
              Stefu's back!

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              • #8
                So how did those other qualities override 10 million innocent souls being killed because I'd think that the deaths of 10 million innocent souls override quite a few other issues here

                "Well then Mr. Taney it seems like we two share a disagreement about this whole slavery thing but on the other hand I find your position on gun rights to be quite reasonable so welcome to the Court!"
                "Spirit merges with matter to sanctify the universe. Matter transcends to return to spirit. The interchangeability of matter and spirit means the starlit magic of the outermost life of our universe becomes the soul-light magic of the innermost life of our self." - Dennis Kucinich, candidate for the U. S. presidency
                "That’s the future of the Democratic Party: providing Republicans with a number of cute (but not that bright) comfort women." - Adam Yoshida, Canada's gift to the world

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Kuciwalker
                  Stefu's back!
                  Not really, I'm just running this thing through here and then I'll resume lurking
                  "Spirit merges with matter to sanctify the universe. Matter transcends to return to spirit. The interchangeability of matter and spirit means the starlit magic of the outermost life of our universe becomes the soul-light magic of the innermost life of our self." - Dennis Kucinich, candidate for the U. S. presidency
                  "That’s the future of the Democratic Party: providing Republicans with a number of cute (but not that bright) comfort women." - Adam Yoshida, Canada's gift to the world

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                    • #11
                      Good points, I wonder if pro-life side is also going to be the new pro-information as well. The other side of that would be against information and.. torture.
                      In da butt.
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                      • #12
                        There was the small matter of a predominantly Democratic Congress, with the sole exception of the Senate from 1985-87.

                        Read the book.

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                        • #13
                          :LOL: Great troll stefu!

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                          • #14
                            Winston, you do realize that while Governor of California, Reagan signed a very liberal abortion law (prior to Roe v. Wade). Reagan didn't even have a Bork, as his predecessor would. He nominated two moderates (O'Connor and Kennedy) and one conservative (Scalia). Scalia's nomination shows that even with a Democratic Senate it wouldn't matter (he was confirmed 98-0 and had the support of people like Mario Cuomo).
                            “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                            - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                            • #15
                              Republican leadership has showed themselves not to care one whit about abortion.

                              They talk a bit.. but when they have power they focus on putting money into the pockets of the rich.

                              I don't really see how Obi can support their actions.

                              JM
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