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Foley was as much an invented scandal (if not more so) as this Reid deal.KH FOR OWNER!
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Then why did Congressman Foley quit?Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Foley was as much an invented scandal (if not more so) as this Reid deal.If you don't like reality, change it! me
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Because Studds already blazed that trail for gays in Congress.
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Originally posted by DinoDoc
Because Studds already blazed that trail for gays in Congress.
That is really sad. Its a simple question. Drake keeps claiming the Foley scandal just made up hype. If it were, why are the Republicans running like headless chickens in its wake? Either they are idiots (well, they are), utterly incompetent (well, they are that too), or horribly gullible.
Your throwaway quips add nothing.If you don't like reality, change it! me
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Then why did Congressman Foley quit?
Why did McGreevey quit? Being forcibly outed is poison for a political career...
Drake keeps claiming the Foley scandal just made up hype. If it were, why are the Republicans running like headless chickens in its wake?
Hype is just as dangerous as actual trouble in Washington, especially when the media gets behind it.KH FOR OWNER!
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McGreevey has done quite well for himself since departing the poltical scene. He has become a celeb dujour all the while getting accolades from the likes of Oprah lauding his bravery during his latest book tour.Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Then why did Congressman Foley quit?
Why did McGreevey quit? Being forcibly outed is poison for a political career...
Drake keeps claiming the Foley scandal just made up hype. If it were, why are the Republicans running like headless chickens in its wake?
Hype is just as dangerous as actual trouble in Washington, especially when the media gets behind it.
I doubt the same level of accolade will apply to Foley (partly due his proclivity towards minors partly due his Republican party affiliation.) OTOH if he renounces his GOP party affiliation I would expect we would have the next hero in the making. Granted still not electable but...."Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
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As I understand it realistically there was simply a handshake deal with no paperwork associated indicating sale of real estate nor transfer to the LLC for consideration of an equity stake. I'ld question the legal standing of such a transfer. The intention to transfer to a trusted freind for an equity stake in the LLC is different than an actual legal contract binding the two parties. Since Brown didn't try to stiff Reid on the proceeds no harm no foul. Had Brown been a ***** to Reid I don't see where Reid would have a legitamate claim to any of the proceeds in the eyes of the courts. Any legal eagles want to weigh in?Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Because there's no corruption. He reported that he owned the land when in fact he owned the LLC that owned the land. Its a distinction withouth difference.
Of course the underlying issue in all of this is it is presumed that the cover the LLC provided allowed rezoning and influence pandering without the presumption of benefit to Reid."Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
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Re: Mr. Weldon
Not saying Weldon isn't dirty and deserving of punishment/investigation but how does this differ from Reid and the lobbying money awarded to his kid's firms.Originally posted by pchang
was doing some bad things and it looks like these charges will stick.
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Reid allowed his son-in-law to lobby his office and gained benefits for the firms he represented (and then banned his family from lobbying his office after the scandal erupted), while Weldon steered lobbying contracts specifically to his daughter. It's the difference between corrupt and really ****ing corrupt."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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How does that work? He listed the property to the Senate Cmte. as personal ownership, which is more transparent than as an LLC.Of course the underlying issue in all of this is it is presumed that the cover the LLC provided allowed rezoning and influence pandering without the presumption of benefit to Reid."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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The issue at hand is the reason for the $700000 apprecaition in value. That is almost soley due to rezoning of residential to commerical.Originally posted by Ramo
How does that work? He listed the property to the Senate Cmte. as personal ownership, which is more transparent than as an LLC.
The applicant for zoning changes was Brown's LLC. No public record ever existed indicating Reid as part owner of the same LLC. Funny how Reid helped or at least endorsed for lands to be privatized from the Dept of Interior in 1994 making lands he purchased in 1998 meaningful in a commercial sense were it to be zoned that way. Likewise no public record of impropriety could ever be placed at Reid's door step for rezoning because he was not a listed partner of Brown's LLC. (all they had was a handshake deal).
Of course this didn't prevent Brown's consultant from capitalizing on Reid invlovement in testimony in front of Clark Country Comission.
Courtesy WaPo
Further there is plenty of reason to believe Reid was feeling local heat to some of his questionable real estate dealings as when called on it back in 1998. His staff attempted to muzzle two different radio stations for questioning the 1994 land swap as well as his preoccupation with getting lands freed up for development in Clark County. His role in the rezoning requests and lack of transparency particularly to the voting locals was IMO deliberate.THE REZONING
Clark County intended for the property Reid owned to be used solely for new housing, records show. Just days before Reid sold the parcels to Brown's company, Brown sought permission in May 2001 to rezone the properties so a shopping center could be built.
Career zoning officials objected, saying the request was "inconsistent" with Clark County's master development plan. The town board in Spring Valley, where Reid's property was located, also voted 4-1 to reject the rezoning.
Brown persisted. The Clark County zoning board followed by the Clark County Commission voted to overrule the recommendation and approve commercial zoning. Such votes were common at the time.
Before the approval in September 2001, Brown's consultant told commissioners that Reid was involved. "Mr. Brown's partner is Harry Reid, so I think we have people in this community who you can trust to go forward and put a quality project before you," the consultant testified.
With the rezoning granted, Patrick Lane pursued the shopping center deal. On Jan. 20, 2004, the company sold the property to developers for $1.6 million. The next day, Reid was given $1.1 million of the sale proceeds.
Today, a multimillion dollar retail complex sits on the land.
A BUSINESS PARTNER'S PAST
Brown has been a behind-the-scenes power broker in Nevada for years, donating to Democrats, Republicans and charities. He represented a major casino in legal cases and dabbled in Nevada's booming real estate market.
Brown befriended Reid four decades ago, even before Reid served as chairman of the Nevada gaming commission and decided cases involving Brown's clients.
Brown's name has surfaced in federal investigations involving organized crime, casinos and political bribery since the 1980s.
This past summer, federal prosecutors introduced testimony at the bribery trial of former Clark County Commission chairman Dario Herrera that Brown had taken money from a Las Vegas strip club owner to influence the commission. Herrera was convicted of taking kickbacks. Brown was never called as a witness.
Brown declined to discuss past cases where his name surfaced, including Herrera. "The federal government investigated this whole matter thoroughly, and there was never any implication of impropriety on my part," he said.
Last edited by Ogie Oglethorpe; October 18, 2006, 11:55."Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
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I don't see much difference between the two. They're all cheats and liars.Originally posted by Ramo
Reid allowed his son-in-law to lobby his office and gained benefits for the firms he represented (and then banned his family from lobbying his office after the scandal erupted), while Weldon steered lobbying contracts specifically to his daughter. It's the difference between corrupt and really ****ing corrupt.
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Throw them all out.
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Why? We have them all in one place now where it is easier to keep an eye on them.Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Throw them all out.
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