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I don't need it to be cool. And I didn't really pay much attention to what DD said, he never has anything constructive or interesting to say...
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Speaking of Erith:
"It's not twinned with anywhere, but it does have a suicide pact with Dagenham" - Linda Smith -
/me wonders if being an ass is the reason PH isn't cool
I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator RubioComment
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DinoDoc, you'll never be cool!Speaking of Erith:
"It's not twinned with anywhere, but it does have a suicide pact with Dagenham" - Linda SmithComment
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Yes... hence the Canadian flag and locationOriginally posted by Comrade Tassadar
You left the country?
I used to live in Atlanta.
This isn't war. Several detainees at Guantanamo have proven to be innocent. Unfortunately, it seems that this captured on the field of battle can actually mean bought for a $5000 from unscrupulous Pakistani bounty hunters. Given this, I don't see how denying these people the ability to challenge their status can possibly be a good thing. And well... torture....Am I the only one here who doesnt think this will lead to tyranny?
When we captured enemy troops on the field of battle in past wars, they werent extended habeus corpus. We could just go ahead and issues a formal DOW, and call them EPW's, except that then we wouldnt be able to interrogate them, etc.
You fail to see how arresting innocent people and locking them up indefinitely with no promise of a fair trial is going to undermine the rule of law in the country?I sympathize with the poor guy who was at a radical madrassah in Pakistan in September 2001, but who really wasnt an AQ supporter, and got swept up. We should be more careful, cause of the hearts and minds struggle we're in. But I fail to see how such errors and abuses, bad as they are, will lead to the US becoming a bananna republic.
I have no such faith in the American political system. This system gave us Bush twice. It will give us some other ****** again in the future. Giving that much power to one man of dubious scruples is just asking for trouble.This to me only reemphasizes the importance of a change in the executive in 2008 - to a Dem, or a Republican whose been independent of the admin. So that someone else will have to deal with the difficult security issues facing us, which are REAL, not fearmongering"The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists."
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And Americans have fallen for it, not once, but twice.Originally posted by Victor Galis
That's not entirely true. Congress has...12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
Stadtluft Macht Frei
Killing it is the new killing it
Ultima Ratio RegumComment
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The populace is stupid, but this proves my point. It's not like Congressmen can only follow the mass hysteria. They have the power to convince people, to change people's minds. Or they can just support the terrorists by fearmongering. They have chosen the latter.Originally posted by KrazyHorse
And Americans have fallen for it, not once, but twice."The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists."
-Joan RobinsonComment
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Don't project your insecurities on me.Originally posted by Provost Harrison
DinoDoc, you'll never be cool!
I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator RubioComment
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That doesn't absolve them of their responsibilities as citizens.Originally posted by Victor Galis
The populace is stupid12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
Stadtluft Macht Frei
Killing it is the new killing it
Ultima Ratio RegumComment
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True, however, to not blame Congress at all...Originally posted by KrazyHorse
That doesn't absolve them of their responsibilities as citizens."The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists."
-Joan RobinsonComment
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The people got the government they deserved.
Enjoy it
12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
Stadtluft Macht Frei
Killing it is the new killing it
Ultima Ratio RegumComment
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Congratulations...you've succeeded in creating the lamest comeback today!Originally posted by DinoDoc
Don't project your insecurities on me.
Speaking of Erith:
"It's not twinned with anywhere, but it does have a suicide pact with Dagenham" - Linda SmithComment
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No, I think that was it.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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[QUOTE] Originally posted by Victor Galis
"This isn't war."
Lets not start that debate again here. We simply disagree. I suspect most of the Dems in congress who voted against this bill still consider that we are at war.
"Several detainees at Guantanamo have proven to be innocent. Unfortunately, it seems that this captured on the field of battle can actually mean bought for a $5000 from unscrupulous Pakistani bounty hunters. Given this, I don't see how denying these people the ability to challenge their status can possibly be a good thing. And well... torture...."
I didnt say it was a good thing. I said its not the beginning of tyranny. Not every bad thing is the beginning of tyranny, and cheapening our rhetoric is not wise.
"You fail to see how arresting innocent people and locking them up indefinitely with no promise of a fair trial is going to undermine the rule of law in the country?"
Its not being done to citizens, so it cant prevent citizens from objecting, speaking out, etc. No, I dont think it can or will change what happens here (which, as Che, points out, has never been perfect anyway)
""A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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Originally posted by Victor Galis
I have no such faith in the American political system. This system gave us Bush twice. It will give us some other ****** again in the future. Giving that much power to one man of dubious scruples is just asking for trouble.
You miss my point. When President McCain, or President Rodham Clinton, or even President Clark or President Gore faces the world situation, while they will undoubtedly modify some Bush policies, they will face all the difficulties of protecting us that Bush faces, and will undoubtedly choose at least some polices that are now denounced as part of a rovian neocon conspiracy. Hopefully then it will then be possible to debate their real merit with less of the conspiracy mongering now taking place."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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But here I disagree. I argue that the justice system exists party to correct such mistakes. By not allowing these people to prove their innocence or challenge their guilt, the whole system is undermined.I didnt say it was a good thing. I said its not the beginning of tyranny. Not every bad thing is the beginning of tyranny, and cheapening our rhetoric is not wise.
That's very slippery slope we're getting onto. What about that crazy American guy that went to fight for the Taliban? Isn't he an "enemy combatant?" What about all the people at Guantanamo Bay who are citizens of nations allied with the US? Surely, if we are willing to restrict the freedoms of citizens of other western nations, doing the same to US citizens is not far off.You fail to see how arresting innocent people and locking them up indefinitely with no promise of a fair trial is going to undermine the rule of law in the country?
Well, the problem is that government boasts a considerable arsenal and ability to make the lives of foreigners miserable, people who didn't vote for that governmentOriginally posted by KrazyHorse
The people got the government they deserved.
Enjoy it
And I'm telling you, I don't see it happening. The American people elected Bush twice. I don't think there's a good chance of electing someone sane who will look over everything that Bush did and throw it out. Time will tell.You miss my point. When President McCain, or President Rodham Clinton, or even President Clark or President Gore faces the world situation, while they will undoubtedly modify some Bush policies, they will face all the difficulties of protecting us that Bush faces, and will undoubtedly choose at least some polices that are now denounced as part of a rovian neocon conspiracy. Hopefully then it will then be possible to debate their real merit with less of the conspiracy mongering now taking place."The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists."
-Joan RobinsonComment
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