Iraq actions makes terrorism risks worse ?

[Flip McWho]

Not exactly. I was specificallh referring to the NYT are traitors argument, so Flip's comment seems rather random...

The discussion with Ogie right?

Imran read it correctly.

I'm mocking the stupidity of thinking that terrorists are going to leave us alone if we cut and run. That they wouldn't spin it as "defeating the Great Satan in Iraq" and would not likewise use the US as a foil to recruit more terrorists.

Nobody believes they'd leave you alone anyways.
You have to admit it must have something to do with your foreign policy in regards to the middle east.
And attacking Iraq does give them further ammo for the whole 'americans hate muslims' crap they love to spout.

[techumseh]

Originally posted by Dis
face it, they want us dead. No matter what we do.

Ignoring them, and pulling completely out of their society would be the best thing we could do, if only they didn't have that oil...

(emphasis added) There it is, out of the mouths of babes. You steal their oil (and all the sh*t that goes with stealing it) and they try to bomb you. You could stop being a target by leaving them alone, but you don't. Why not?

[Flip McWho]

Oils not the only thing, theres also a little country called Israel that grinds their gears aswell.

[Dis]

Originally posted by techumseh


(emphasis added) There it is, out of the mouths of babes. You steal their oil (and all the sh*t that goes with stealing it) and they try to bomb you. You could stop being a target by leaving them alone, but you don't. Why not?

It's in my post. the oil.

Face it, Iraq was about the oil. We all know better.

[techumseh]

They will sell it to you, you know. Angola has a marxist government, and they sell you oil. Chavez thinks Bush is the devil, and Venezuela sells you lots of oil, some of it below world prices. Saudi supports your enemies, but they sell you oil. Before you invaded Iraq, President Hussien sold you oil. Even that old member of the 'Axis of Evil', Iran sells you oil. What's the problem?

[techumseh]

Originally posted by notyoueither
You would have a better point if fundies hadn't tried to hatch plots in places like Toronto, techumseh.

What a setup that was. Have you ever heard of the term "agent provocateur"?

[Berzerker]

of course terrorism would increase, thats what happens when you drain a swamp. You dont get just Al Qaeda, you get a bunch of militant fencesitters to jump. Unfortunately draining the swamps means turning someone's country into a warzone, Saddam's past conduct made Iraq the best candidate - tell the people there we're liberating them...yeah, yeah...thats the ticket

[Flip McWho]

You kinda are though, theres no doubt that Saddam was a brutal dictator bastard. Of course whether they wanted liberating or can rise to the challenge of being liberated is a different story.

[Wezil]

Originally posted by notyoueither
You would have a better point if fundies hadn't tried to hatch plots in places like Toronto, techumseh.

I suspect the scale of the T.O. plot is going to really embarass the right wingers when the rest of the facts come out.

You do realize a good number of these scary people are out on bail?

Overblown in the extreme.

Edit: As I mentioned earlier - Afghanistan was the reason given for their plot. You'd have a better point if you wouldn't overlook this fact.

[The Mad Viking]

Originally posted by techumseh


What a setup that was. Have you ever heard of the term "agent provocateur"?

Indeed. If the truth ever comes out, we wil be ashamed.

A few drunken teenagers ranting and posting fantasies on a forum.

Some guys playing paintball becomes a "terrorist training camp". The assertion of a neighbour who reported hearing "automatic weapons fire" is reported in the media as the fact that automatic weapons were there.

I'm not suggesting everyone detained is completely innocent, by any means. But this was 90% political propaganda and fearmongering.

And further to the point being debated, Canada's military role in Afganistan was consistently cited as the reason for the anger of the parties detained.

So how is killing Afgani's making Canada safer?

[Wezil]

Why do you hate freedom Viking?

[Cort Haus]

Where did Viking say he hated Freedom? I missed that post.

[Patroklos]

This is one of the better lefty circle jerks I have seen in a while, my hands are sticky just from typing this resposne.

Ewwww.

[Bosh]

No, the comparison is based on the enemy recruiting more people because we are attacking them.

Ah because Secular Arab Nationalism (for example the Ba'aths) and Radical Jihadism (for example al Qa'ida) are a monolithic unity and utterly the same! How foolish of me to ever doubt that!

Probably the biggest mistake that the US made during the Cold War was underestimating the amount of tention within the opposing camp and not doing enough to take advantage of it (with the notable exception of Nixon in China). We're doing exactly the same thing (only worse) this time around...

when you drain a swamp

Exactly how many terrorist plots aimed at Americans ever originated in Iraq? How much better could the hundreds of billions of dollars we've pissed away in Iraq have been used elsewhere?

[Wezil]

Originally posted by Cort Haus
Where did Viking say he hated Freedom? I missed that post.

Sorry my sarcasm wasn't obvious.

Our PM (and his particularly offensive House Leader) have been taking a page from the GWB playbook and his worthless rhetoric.

If you don't support the Afghan mission you don't support the troops.

If you don't support the Afghan mission and it's goal of "spreading Canadian values" you must be ignorant and uninformed.