A Revolution in Hungary

[Saras]

I think you just insulted C0ckney

And Islam, i bet.

[chequita guevara]

The neo-con agenda is spreading democracy by force. What does anything in Hungary have to do with that? Socialists

[dannubis]

Not insulting present day islam is next to impossible!

Finding a righty who adresses the core of an argument without making a snearing remark at the poster is even more so.

But keep on going

[Nikolai]

Hungary never was quite right. At one time they even had an admiral governing their coastless country.

[chequita guevara]

Socialists who preside over a neo-liberal agenda aren't worthy of the name.

[Saras]

Originally posted by dannubis
Finding a righty who adresses the core of an argument without making a snearing remark at the poster is even more so.

But keep on going

too funny!!1!

[Saras]

Originally posted by Nikolai
Hungary never was quite right. At one time they even had an admiral governing their coastless country.

Heh, I think they might have inherited a piece of the formidable Austro-Hungarian Imperial Alpine navy.

[dannubis]

[techumseh]

Neoconservative, from the Enclopedia Brittanica:

neoconservatism
U.S. political movement. It originated in the 1960s among conservatives and some liberals who were repelled by or disillusioned with what they viewed as the political and cultural trends of the time, including leftist political radicalism, lack of respect for authority and tradition, and hedonistic and immoral lifestyles. Neoconservatives generally advocate a free-market economy with minimum taxation and government economic regulation; strict limits on government-provided social-welfare programs; and a strong military supported by large defense budgets. Neoconservatives also believe that government policy should respect the importance of traditional institutions such as religion and the family. Unlike most conservatives of earlier generations, neoconservatives maintain that the United States should take an active role in world affairs, though they are generally suspicious of international institutions, such as the United Nations and the World Court, whose authority could intrude upon American sovereignty or limit the country's freedom to act in its own interests. See also conservatism.

I agree that neo-liberal is a more correct term.

[OzzyKP]

Wikipedia > Brittanica

From my understanding of the issue, the Wikipedia definition is far closer to reality than Brittanica's. Brittanica is just a standard definition of conservative (it even says "see conservative") and misses the distinction entirely.

From wikipedia:

Historically, neoconservatives supported a militant anticommunism, tolerated more social welfare spending than was sometimes acceptable to libertarians and mainstream conservatives, supported civil equality for blacks and other minorities, and sympathized with a non-traditional foreign policy agenda that was less deferential to traditional conceptions of diplomacy and international law and less inclined to compromise principles even if that meant unilateral action.

Indeed, domestic policy does not define neoconservatism — it is a movement founded on, and perpetuated by an aggressive approach to foreign policy, free trade, opposition to communism during the Cold War, support for Israel and Taiwan and opposition to Middle Eastern and other states that are perceived to support terrorism. [citation needed]

Believing that America should "export democracy," that is, spread its ideals of government, economics, and culture abroad, they grew to reject U.S. reliance on international organizations and treaties to accomplish these objectives. Compared to other U.S. conservatives, neoconservatives may be characterized by an idealist stance on foreign policy, a lesser social conservatism, and a much weaker dedication to a policy of minimal government, and, in the past, a greater acceptance of the welfare state, though none of these qualities are necessarily requisite.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Britannica is incorrect. As che pointed out, a neo-con is far more limited.

[Bill3000]

I agree that neo-liberal is a more correct term.

Outside of America, yes. However, it's an American term.

Regardless, I find it hilarious that conservatives in America think that "liberal" is almost a curse word, communism and the like, when most conservatives today could at least be considered classical liberal. It's a huge irony, IMO.

[techumseh]

I read some more definitions as well. It sounds like the term has evolved, esp in the US, to mean military interventionism. Originally it was used to describe the right wing economic policies of Thatcher, Reagan and Mulroney (in Canada). It's still widely used here in that sense, perhaps incorrectly. Neo-liberal seems more appropriate.

[Bill3000]

Originally posted by techumseh
I read some more definitions as well. It sounds like the term has evolved, esp in the US, to mean military interventionism. Originally it was used to describe the right wing economic policies of Thatcher, Reagan and Mulroney (in Canada). It's still widely used here in that sense, perhaps incorrectly. Neo-liberal seems more appropriate.

Ann Coulter is considered a neoconservative. There's no way that she would be wanted to ever be labeled "liberal", regardless of what liberal really means.

[Blaupanzer]

Neo-cons are mostly reformed (disillusioned) new leftists from the sixties era who jumped ship and went way over to the right. They advocate big government solutions based in their version of patriotism and are very influential in the current US administration. So in the European sense they are ex-socialists who now are fierce nationalists. In my opinion they are very dangerous.

As to the rioting, people have the right to be upset about being lied to. I do agree that the Hungarian government probably leaked the admission in order to change failing policies. What they deserve is to be tossed from office. The fact that this info was "leaked" indicates that it is not a response to politicians "admitting the truth" no matter who leaked it.