Five years later: what's the answer?

[Elok]

Originally posted by Whoha
The 9/11 hijackers were neither poor nor oppressed, and generally poor and oppressed people don't have the wealth needed to make an effective threat to us.

There are enough people that buy into the death to the infidels spiel that they've been hearing their entire life in schools,mosques, and what have you.

I believe you're the one who brought the words "poor and oppressed" into this argument. I just went along. Anyway, plenty of the suicide bombers who annoy Israel on occasion aren't dripping cash.

And by "social, political, economic," etc., I wasn't just referring to the bombers themselves. They can recruit plenty of cheap manpower from poorer neighborhoods, and they do a terrific job of hiding there too. It worked in Lebanon recently. They can get money from elsewhere and play this same game for a good while.

And STFU, Drose. If we keep calling them Basque separatists we might be able to sucker Spain into sending troops again. You're compromising national interests.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Elok


I believe you're the one who brought the words "poor and oppressed" into this argument. I just went along. Anyway, plenty of the suicide bombers who annoy Israel on occasion aren't dripping cash.

The people who look after their families afterward might be.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by notyoueither
Surprised? The body count mounts.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/09/07/ap/world/mainD8K041Q80.shtml

[Whoha]

Originally posted by Elok
I believe you're the one who brought the words "poor and oppressed" into this argument. I just went along. Anyway, plenty of the suicide bombers who annoy Israel on occasion aren't dripping cash.

That is why Israel built the wall and isn't letting palestinians work in Israel by and large isn't it? That just isn't a threat if it depends on your enemy letting you in through the front door. And of course he doesn't let you in through the front door.

And by "social, political, economic," etc., I wasn't just referring to the bombers themselves. They can recruit plenty of cheap manpower from poorer neighborhoods, and they do a terrific job of hiding there too. It worked in Lebanon recently. They can get money from elsewhere and play this same game for a good while.

Was Israel unable to eliminate the threat to their civilians, or unwilling to impose the cost in dead lebanese on southern Lebanon to achieve that aim?

Those munitions themselves were not created by a bunch of poor and oppressed people, rather, a wealthy state sponsor provided them with scuds,C-802s,and the 13k shorter range rockets. Once the war started they were unable to resupply and lost their scuds quickly. Their ability to do anything but lob a few rockets and then run to the UN is nil.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...8K041Q80.shtml

Jimminy cricket!

What kind of reporting are you relying on?

The majority of losses have been to an aircrash and US 'freindly' fire.

If we didn't have your trigger happy fly boys to contentd with, we'd be a hundred miles ahead on the ground.

[notyoueither]

... but then again, the 1 dead and 49 wounded Canucks wouldn't be able to tell their grandkids what it is like to be strafed by an A-10 wart hog.

I've heard from men watching it that it is an impressive sight... from a distance.

But then again, the dead Canuck won't be telling anyone anything.

[notyoueither]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/5334082.stm

Nato claims more Taleban losses

Correspondents say the fighting is the heaviest since Nato's formation
Nato officials in Afghanistan say that air and artillery strikes have killed a further 92 Taleban fighters in Kandahar province on Sunday.
The reported casualties are in addition to 94 Taleban fighters which Nato says were killed earlier over the week-end in the Operation Medusa offensive.

There has been no independent verification of the Nato figures.

The reports come five years after the 9/11 attacks in the US that resulted in the US-led invasion of Afghanistan.

The latest violence coincides with the death on Sunday of the governor of eastern Afghanistan's Paktia province by a suicide bomber.

Abdul Hakim Taniwal was the highest-ranking official to die in the insurgency.

The academic - who campaigned against Afghan gun culture - was killed outside his office. The Taleban said it was responsible.

Counterattack

The BBC's Damian Grammaticus has visited the frontline of the latest clashes and says that Nato forces are engaged in the biggest battle sine the US invasion of Afghanistan.

Our correspondent says that five years after the World Trade Centre attack, the Taleban have had time to regroup in the huge Panwaj dessert in the south.

It is an area with perfect defensive positions, criss-crossed by drainage ditches and low mud walls.

Nato says the Taleban sustained its most recent casualties when insurgents staged a counterattack in Kandahar province on Sunday.

Mr Taniwal was an academic with Australian citizenship

It says that the insurgents were killed in Zari and Panjwai districts of the southern province of Kandahar.

"Further analysis of yesterday's battle damage assessment reports that 92 insurgents were killed. This figure is separate from the 94 insurgents killed in the other incident earlier Sunday," a Nato spokesman said.

But there has been no independent confirmation of the number of Taleban casualties as a result Operation Medusa, which began on 2 September and which Nato says has now killed over 500 insurgents.

The Taleban have disputed the high figures and said the alliance should display bodies as proof.

Reports from Canucks mention a deathly stench in captured positions, but few bodies, and that they are now marching through formally enemy held positions.

I wonder what's happening?

[Straybow]

Originally posted by Japher
Terrorism is the violent outlash of resistance to change (in our case, against the growing western influence on eastern ideals and philosiphy). In order to end terrorism things need to stop changing. That, or a more Islamic appealing Ronald McDonald character.

Yeah, and a Burger Sheikh character for the competition.

But seriously, no. It is not about resistance to change, it is trying to impose change against the will of people or governments who don't want to change.

They are cowards who send others to sacrifice themselves. They should lead by example, then we would take them more seriously.

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
Has anyone watched Syriana?

JM

A snooze fest with nothing to say. If they wanted to say something meaningful they should have depicted real events. But no real events conformed to their idea, so they made up some sh!t. The point ended up being, wouldn't this have been bad if it had happened? Yea, and so what. It didn't.

[Sikander]

Btw, I'd like to thank all of our (U.S.) allies who have contributed troops to the missions in Afghanistan and Iraq. I personally appreciate it greatly, and I'm sure the vast majority of my countrymen do as well.

[DanS]

Originally posted by notyoueither

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/5334082.stm

Reports from Canucks mention a deathly stench in captured positions, but few bodies, and that they are now marching through formally enemy held positions.

I wonder what's happening?

Where are these reports from Canucks coming from?

[MikeH]

Canucks.

[DanS]

OK, OK. This time I will write more clearly. Who is publishing these reports, or is NYE getting these reports from other sources?

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by DanS
Who is publishing these reports

Apparently not the US media.



Canada: cleaning up others' messes since 1867

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Canada: cleaning up others' messes since 1867

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