Hillary for President

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by DRoseDARs


Case in point: DanS isn't paying attention. Hillary is a bad candidate because she plays whatever role she needs to play in order to get by instead of the role she was elected to play: Democrat. She doesn't take strong positions and has often given cautious minimalist support (or at least meek opposition) to the actions of this administration. Notice how her name is almost never in the headlines UNLESS it's an article or blurb about the possibility of her candidacy. She plays it safe and keeps her head low.

The role she was elected to play was Senator from New York, not "Democrat". She DOES take strong positions on a range of issues, but yes she sometimes works with the admin, as does Ted Kennedy.

[Dinner]

I don't think anyone but Republicans ever wanted Hillary to run. I notice DanS has always been a big supporter.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly


No we don't. We like genial dopes who tell us everything is going to be just fine. In the whole 20th century, the two Roosevelts and Harry Truman were the only presidents who didn't fit that mold. Even Nixon, who really was a fighter, only got elected by doing everything he could to conceal that aspect of his personality.

No one was fooled into thinking Nixon was a genial dope. Im trying to contemplate LBJ as a "genial dope" and am having a hard time doing so. JFK wasnt seen as a dope, even if he was portrayed as more genial than he really was. Clinton, whatever else he was, was hardly ever seen as a dope - though genial, yes.

Ike was not seen as a dope by the millions who served under him and voted for him - the folks who thought of him as a genial dope usually voted for Stevenson.

This is really a poke at Reagan and the Bushes, and I think of limited applicability to them (Reagan was certainly far less genial, and Bush Sr wasnt a dope)

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Oerdin
I don't think anyone but Republicans ever wanted Hillary to run. I notice DanS has always been a big supporter.

Yeah, and hes got the most insight, right. If he thinks Hillary running is good for the GOP, it must be so, right?

Confining it to the political elites, (IE discounting her strength in the polls) Id say theres plenty of Hillary support in DLC circles. Of course if you dont count us as "loyal Dems" as seems to be the fashion these days, than that wouldnt count.

Look, we're at war, there people who want to kill us. Who cares who Bill slept with, and what Hillary said about it? If the GOP goes with that stuff they will fall flat on their faces. I think at a time like THIS her toughness is more of an asset than in other times.
But again, if, in 2008, people have decided that the whole terror thing is no biggie, that will hurt her.

[Arrian]

...not wanting her to run is gutless....

So if you don't like Hillary you're gutless? Typical crapola from Dan.

Yes, Mr. Yes-man Republican, please tell us who the Dems should run for President.



-Arrian

[Velociryx]

http://abc.go.com/primetime/schedule/2005-06/commander.html

Geena Davis for Prez....



-=Vel=-

[Arrian]

The Long Kiss Goodnight

Samuel L. Jackson for V.P. Vote for us, MUTHER****AS!

-Arrian

[Velociryx]

AMEN! Hell, he could run on the "Snakes on a Plane" platform and I'd vote for him!

I could see the campaign posters now....



-=Vel=-

[Winston]

This Democrat party's over!

[DanS]

So if you don't like Hillary you're gutless?

Don't misquote me. I said that if you don't want Hillary to run and you're a liberal Dem, you're gutless.

[Hueij]

hillary Clinton has one thing going for her that no one else has: Bill Clinton.

[Dinner]

You don't understand how the Republicans have spent years slandering the name of the man who was our best President in modern times. They actually have attempted to diefy Reagan who was an all around under performer.

[DanS]

Bill Clinton was a mediocre president, but you can't take away the fact that he had and still has a good sense of the mood of the electorate. He will help Hillary immensely, especially since all the other Dems have tin ears.

[DRoseDARs]

Actually, you're mistaken about their attempts to deify him. They're actually engaged in a long, drawn-out voodoo ritual to bring him back from the dead as a zombie. Given the fact that he was already fairly old when he died, he'll appreciate the wonderful crop of mushy, non-chewy brains Republicans have been cultivating over the past 20 years when he comes back. Then he'll become the best president ever. At least until he's eaten all the mushy Republican brains...

[DanS]

Originally posted by Sikander
There are some decent prospective candidates in both major parties, but it remains to be seen whether either party will be able to overcome itself and select one of them. Right now it looks more likely that the repugs will do so.

I've been toying with the possibility of a Guiliani candidacy. The primaries would be rough for him, but I think he would do well in a general election. A real brawler.

In other election years, I doubt that he would stand a chance. But there may be a small window for him here.