The NAME THAT HISTORICAL EVENT game

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Alexander I


Sure, hint away!

P.S. Don't feel bad, I've killed the game before too. We in the History Forum apparently derive great pleasure from stumping our peers.

Ok.

Hint 1. The primary interaction of the pictured individual with the first world historical figure was a proposal to a specific kind of confrontation that never took place. Later the pictured individual went to another country, had a confrontation of the exact same type with someone else, succeeded, and this became front page news - it was noted by and almost certainly influenced the thought of the second historical figure.

Hint 2 - both world historical figures had major achievements that are associated with alleged denials of sovereign rights.

Hint 3. Both world historical figures had somewhat distinctive childhoods that influenced their future lives. The first is particularly well known for that childhood.

Easier hints to follow, if needed.

[lord of the mark]

Re: Odd historical connections

another hint.

Both of the great historical figures attended the preeminent universities in their respective countries of origin. Both are strongly associated with the premier cities in their respective countries of origin.

[Adam Smith]

Based on hints 2, 3, and 4 one of the historical figures is Theodore Roosevelt.

[Kuciwalker]

That was likely from the start. The project is Panama, I assume?

[Kuciwalker]

Ah, found it, but I used wiki so I'm kind of disqualified

[lord of the mark]

the first world historical figure IS Theodore Roosevelt, and the project IS the Panama Canal.

(and yes, obviously the sov infringement is the legal questions relating to Colombia and the US intervention in the Panamanian rev, the unusual boyhood is the asthma and his overcoming, the univ is Harvard, and the city is NYC)

Should be easy from here on out.

What "gentleman" had a confrontation with Theodore Roosevelt, that was called off? Who then went on to have another interaction with the Panama Canal?

And had another historically notable confrontation of a type similar to that which never happened with TR?

Or to take a different path = what other world historical figures are there at this time period with the first name "Theodore"? (that this other figure had a boyhood dream of building a canal at Panama, is a fairly obscure fact, doubt even wiki would have it - though if you DO find the wiki for him, I imagine they will inform you that briefly as a young man he DID attend a technical school) He too attended a noted Univ, the best in his country, and is very strongly associated with the lead city of his country. He too had a grand historic achievement, one that led to results that at the time seemed far less hopeful of fruition even then Panama. These results were themselves more controversial in international law and politics than even the US intervention in the Panamanian revolution.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Ah, found it, but I used wiki so I'm kind of disqualified

I thought the rules were that using wiki to find historical facts is ok, as long as you dont cheat by looking for codes for the pic.

Have you found the second historical figure, and the pictured figure? Can you explain all the original hints?

[lord of the mark]

another hint - Like TR, this other Theodore trained as a lawyer, and like TR he never really practiced law.

Unlike TR, however, the rest of this other Theodores family never really amounted to anything.

[lord of the mark]

If you were to stand at Panama City today, sooner or later youd see an event that would bring warmth to the heart of our second Theodore, were he to know of it.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Ah, found it, but I used wiki so I'm kind of disqualified

I checked the TR wiki, and they dont seem to mention the incident with the pictured individual.

[Kuciwalker]

I searched for duelists and TR there.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
I searched for duelists and TR there.

very good, then, you may go ahead and name the pictured individual.

The wiki on him, however, still does not mention the later duel I had in mind, nor does it seem to mention his connection to the Panama Canal, nor does it indicate the second world historical figure. But that should all be fairly easy for you now.

[Kuciwalker]

The wiki on him does mention the later duel, at least if the answer is Ferdinand-Camille Dreyfus.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
The wiki on him does mention the later duel, at least if the answer is Ferdinand-Camille Dreyfus.

no, there was yet another duel.

Ok, look, this isnt so hard. How many famous Theodores were there? Put your HEART into the answer.

Or just reflect on some of my own obsessions.

THINK! The Marquis de Mores (whom youve obviously already found, stop being coy) was an antisemite. In Paris. In the 1890s. What happened involving antisemitism in Paris shortly afterward? Who was living in Paris, named Theodore, who was interested in antisemitism, who went on to do world historical things, (perhaps my use of world historical in this context is confusing?) resulting in, eventually, a matter of political and international legal controversy?

BTW, if you should manage to figure out the name of this Theodore, and google on it, the Marquis de Mores, and duel, you will find the name of the Marquis' victim in this other duel.

[Kuciwalker]

no, there was yet another duel.

Ok, look, this isnt so hard. How many famous Theodores were there? Put your HEART into the answer.

Damn, I forgot the shared name bit (and thought that the other person also had a duel with the Marquis). Theodor Herzl and the Dreyfus affair (different Dreyfus). "Other historical things" = founding Zionism.