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  • #1

    They got YouTube too!

    I am sure many of you are familiar with YouTube, and also the fact that many users post their favorite music videos on the site. Well, it appears that RIAA finally got to them as well. Today I go, and noticed that a number of music video's are no longer available, taken off the site at the request of RIAA.

    Which brings up a question: TV is a mass medium. Do artist still own their videos once they are broadcast publicly? What is the legality of people posting their favorite videos in a site like YouTube, and what is RIAA's legal right to control that? Really, cause I am interested.
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  • #2
    My favorite video is still there.

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    • #3
      Do artist still own their videos once they are broadcast publicly?


      Uh. Duh?
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      • #4
        A better question is whether they should still own their videos and songs after they're broadcasted. I'd lean no.
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        • #5
          a better question is why people watch music videos. Or maybe that's just me. I never cared for them for some reason.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Asher
            Uh. Duh?
            When you tape a TV show, you own that copy.

            Now, a site like YouTube gives you the ability to post your copy publicly. Should that count as illegal rebroadcast? Or is it not technically re-broadcasting since you basically have an agreement with YouTube to use the bandwidth to store your copy. Is it the same as fileshare? After all, other people don;t donwload copies, as so much look at your copy, or is that a non-existant distinction?
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            • #7
              Originally posted by GePap
              When you tape a TV show, you own that copy.
              Are you for real?

              You own that copy but you can't make 1000000 copies and send them out to your friends.........which is what YouTube does.
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              • #8
                have to agree with Asher. There is no way to bend the rules, or try to use loopholes.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by GePap


                  When you tape a TV show, you own that copy.

                  Now, a site like YouTube gives you the ability to post your copy publicly. Should that count as illegal rebroadcast? Or is it not technically re-broadcasting since you basically have an agreement with YouTube to use the bandwidth to store your copy. Is it the same as fileshare? After all, other people don;t donwload copies, as so much look at your copy, or is that a non-existant distinction?
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Jaguar
                    My favorite video is still there.

                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAK690ocnPQ
                    The good taste secret police are coming to arrest you as we speak, heathen!
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Asher

                      Are you for real?

                      You own that copy but you can't make 1000000 copies and send them out to your friends.........which is what YouTube does.
                      When people first had the option to tape TV shows, they couldn't realistically send a tape to more than a few people for free. Selling it was a violation of copyright law, obviously, and distribution costs kept people from sending it everywhere for free. But if you watched a taped TV show with someone else back in 1991, it wasn't a problem. Now that the process can be done with a million other people, a new rule, the one you stated, has been invented retroactively. Is that a good thing? Possibly, but I don't think we can cling to the idea of "intellectual property" as it existed two decades ago, because it's just not realistic anymore. We need to seriously reexamine our copyright laws.

                      I have a general belief that if tens if millions of people frequently commit a "crime," it probably shouldn't be a crime in the first place. That goes for underage drinking, filesharing, and a whole host of things that people like to do.
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                      • #12
                        and murder? there's been millions of those as well.

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                        • #13
                          It's not a new rule, Jaguar. The problem is interpretation is "fair use" -- while it is "fair use" to make a personal copy, it is not "fair use" to claim the entire film to be your ownership such that you can show it to the entire world for free on demand.
                          "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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                          • #14
                            What about images?

                            A photographer owns the photograph they took, a painter owns the picture they paint. Yet once on the internet, I have not seem many movements by either of those professions to limit the distribution of copies of their work, which are far easier to produce than a copy of music or video, as easy as THAT is today.

                            I agree with Jaguar that current law is simply not adequate to the current technological reality of the digital age.
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                            "Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
                            "it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
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                            • #15
                              Yet once on the internet, I have not seem many movements by either of those professions to limit the distribution of copies of their work
                              That's utter nonsense -- check out the revision history of the Wikipedia images for instance. This is a big issue.
                              "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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