About Time!: JonBenet Case

[SpencerH]

After the initial hurrah wore off I wondered, given that the police and media virtually indicted the family for nearly ten years whats the likelyhood this guy is actually guilty?

[Mercator]

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[Sikander]

This guy has a hilarious "perp walk". Or should that be "perv walk". His pants are straight from the Peewee Herman collection, and like Peewee he uses all the buttons on his shirt. And he wears makeup. To jail.

[Elok]

Originally posted by Winston
It's symptomatic that the outrage in this thread so far is more over the sexual molestation than the actual taking of the girl's life.

That's also a bit sick, if you ask me.

Well, we are culturally acclimated that way; we see death all the time on TV and in the movies, but almost never nonconsensual sex, and when that does get shown (outside of the novels of Ayn Rand, or possibly some porn) it's always with an air of ferocious disapproval. And it's possible to be killed relatively quickly and painlessly, so...

Note also that the sexual deviance in question was the primary motivator of this crime, so the two were pretty well bound together, as MtG has pointed out. I suspect that, if JBR had been offed as a potential witness to a crime, for something valuable she was wearing or carrying, or just for sadistic but non-sexual pleasure, we would be equally outraged at the callousness of it. We might be slightly less bloodthirsty if the guy were high on something at the time (and thus horrifyingly irresponsible, but not necessarily possessing murderous intent toward the child). We might even feel some pity if he were totally delusional and thought JB was possessed by space aliens conspiring to blow up the world or something stupid like that. The predatory thought process apparently at work is what pushes our buttons.

[Frozzy]

If he is found not guilty would he be deported back to Thailand?

[MichaeltheGreat]

No - he's not a Thai citizen, and regardless of what happens in the Ramsey case, he's wanted for unlawful flight after making bail in a multiple-count possession of child porn case, and wanted for or a suspect in yet another sex crimes case. He won't be going anywhere for a while.

[Joseph]

Re: About Time!: JonBenet Case

Originally posted by Japher

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14379566/?GT1=8404

I still think it was the dad:

I thiink it was a family member. I don't think it was intentional, but in a fit of rage, and the rage cross the line.

[Dis]

Originally posted by Winston


That wasn't my point. You and others can't wait to see the guy hang or skinned alive because he messed with a minor, not so much because he committed murder.

I've seen it so often; people stumble over themselves to show their outrage over pedophilia, as if it's the worst thing of which anyone could ever be guilty. In this case, the creativity has been flourishing over what to do with the nasty piece of garbage pedophile, not how to punish the guy for having committed capital murder.

This is what I don't get, nor do I think I ever will.

I admit it, havine sex with a child that young just seems worse than murder. I can't explain why exactly. Laws lump sex with girls under 14 all in the same category. But to me, having sex with a 6 your old is 10000 times worse than having sex with a 13 year old.

But in reality I know it's not worse. Just because a girl is raped doesn't mean her life is over. With adequate counseling she could have led a rich and pruductive life. But now she can't do that because she is dead.

[Mercator]

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[SlowwHand]

WTF??

JonBenet suspect heads to U.S. in style
AP - 1 hour, 5 minutes ago

ABOARD THAI AIRWAYS TO LOS ANGELES - John Mark Karr, the suspect in the death of 6-year-old JonBenet Ramsey, sipped champagne and ate fried king prawns in business class Sunday after being put aboard a flight to Los Angeles to face charges in the United States. As Karr wined and dined in style and chatted with the three U.S. officials escorting him, another bombshell emerged: Reports that Karr sought treatment at a Thai sex-change clinic.

[Mercator]

But maybe more interestingly...

Why cable news pursues the JonBenet Ramsey case

While broadcast networks offer traditional journalistic fare, their cable rivals are now more like the Daily News than The New York Times.

NEW YORK – "SOLVED!'' read the Daily News headline. "BREAKING NEWS" flashed the MSNBC graphic: "JonBenet Ramsey Case Solved?"

Almost a decade after a flood of media speculation about the unsolved murder of the child beauty queen essentially convicted her parents in the court of public opinion, critics say they were at it again last week.

This time the new suspect was John Mark Karr, an Alabama man arrested in Thailand on child pornography charges, who had allegedly confessed to the 1996 killing.

But media critics note that within a day or so of the initial rush to judgment, a more skeptical tone took hold. News organizations that 24 hours before had only footnoted inconsistencies in Mr. Karr's account suddenly were scrutinizing them.

The trajectory of the JonBenet story highlights a new stratification of television news. The major broadcast networks that once set the nation's news agenda have settled into a less powerful evening niche offering more traditional journalistic fare while their cable rivals have matured into a kind of 24-hour tabloid broadcast, more like the Daily News than The New York Times. As such, they're more likely to focus on the sensational to keep their ratings up.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0821/p03s01-ussc.html

[Jon Miller]

Re: Re: About Time!: JonBenet Case

Originally posted by Joseph
I thiink it was a family member. I don't think it was intentional, but in a fit of rage, and the rage cross the line.

Rage after raping her or before raping her?

JM

[Japher]

they shouldn't use the guys middle name

makes him seem like he killed someone of importance

[Dis]

this guy is saying the DNA evidence might not match, and that you can't trust the DNA tests.

What a joke.

http://reuters.myway.com/article/20060823/2006-08-23T213304Z_01_N16192785_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-CRIME-JONBENET-DC.html

I don't know where they found this guy, but I'm having trouble believing any of this.

[Dr Strangelove]

It seems to me that it could go either way. When Karr says that the DNA found on Benet might not match him maybe he's teasing or maybe he's telling us that the blood in her pants was hers but that he thinks he didn't leave DNA on her because he failed to ejaculate - which may be the reason he killed her.

His family says that he was home at the time of Benet's death, but there's no hard evidence like credit card use reports that he was in Alabama. The mere isea of the shame of your kids' daddy being a notorious child killer might cause his ex-wife to deny his being gone those days.