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  • Farm Subsidies (Doha)

    Well, the only really meaningful round of trade talks for 90% of the worlds people, to reduce protectionism in agriculture, is dead...

    For once, I'm not going to bash the US on this. They already have the worlds most open (large) economy.

    This is largely the fault of shortsighted, greedy, provincial middle powers and incompetant, greedy, provincial little powers. They cut off their noses to spite their faces.

    Surely reducing tariffs in areas in which you are never ever going to be competitive in the mid to short term as a carrot for the US is a small price to pay for giving the majority of your country a decent shot at a sustainable business?

    Apparently not....apparently Africa, Latin America, and Poor-Asia really need to protect all their high-end manufacturing and services industries

    It has nothing to do with the fact that the tiny number of people involved in those businesses in the Third World are politically significant while the great brown mass of people are.....not.

    So I'm afraid that this one can't be pinned on the USA. The demands at Doha on the USA were unreasonable in my opinion. No self-interested government would have agreed to them, regardless of the powerful agribusiness lobby.
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    Are you referring to something specific or just making a random rant ?
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    • #3
      Yeh, it seemed like there toward the end this "negotiation" became a bunch of people lining up at the trough of Uncle Sam.

      That said, it's in our best interest to have an open economy, no matter what others do.
      I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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      • #4
        Farmers should stop getting welfare

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        • #5
          farm subsidies are grocieries subsidies
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          • #6
            Farm subsidies are corporate welfare.
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            • #7
              farm subsidies are giant mechas.
              urgh.NSFW

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              • #8
                They come from Japan?

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                • #9
                  oh, wait, rice tariffs are giant mechas. So what are farm subsidies?
                  urgh.NSFW

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                  • #10
                    To be fair France made sure the EU would not consider any reductions in subsidies though the EU was willing to talk about tarrif reductions for agricultural goods. Japan and the US said they were willing to talk about the elimination of farm subsidies and a virtual elimination of all agricultural tarrifs but only if the third world opened up their economies as part of the deal while the third worlders stupidly demanded the 1st world open their markets while the third world be allowed to keep its markets closed.

                    Thus it ended up a massive cluster ****.
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                    • #11
                      Oh good, an agrisub thread

                      Keeping France's farmers safe from a world which just doesn't understand their plight.

                      Ignoring France's five million disaffected Muslims.

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                      • #12
                        Adding a fruit-and-vegetable dependency to the oil dependency
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                        • #13
                          A question for those in the know - the US is unwilling to open up its services markets to India , isn't it ?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Oerdin
                            To be fair France made sure the EU would not consider any reductions in subsidies though the EU was willing to talk about tarrif reductions for agricultural goods. Japan and the US said they were willing to talk about the elimination of farm subsidies and a virtual elimination of all agricultural tarrifs but only if the third world opened up their economies as part of the deal while the third worlders stupidly demanded the 1st world open their markets while the third world be allowed to keep its markets closed.

                            Thus it ended up a massive cluster ****.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by chegitz guevara
                              farm subsidies are grocieries subsidies
                              No, they're not. They make groceries more expensive.
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