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Indeed they do and it's not a problem. As Serb himself asked, what's the deal with a presidential republic?
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the Orange Revolution is as juicy as ever, just with less pulp.
The OR was an attempt to assert democratic norms and stop the imposition of a govt by a fraudulent election. That has not changed. Now, by the operation of parliamentary democracy, there has been a shift in power, and the President elected by the OR, has accepted that shift. That is the fulfillment of the OR, not its denial. Tymoshenko can oppose that decision, as is also HER democratic right. This is democratic politics at work, such as does not take place in Belarus, and may not be capable of taking place in Russia.
IIUC, Yanukovich has accepted that Russian will not be a second official language of the Ukraine. Ukraine will probably not join NATO, but that wasnt likely even before this new govt was formed. The path toward EU membership is likely to continue."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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/me points to Bush, then Putin.Originally posted by Serb
Not at all. What's wrong with a presidential republic?Comment
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Re: How the Orange revolution lost its juice
Which is actually excellent news. A country as divided as Ukraine needs a strong House and a weak presidentOriginally posted by Serb
With the new constitution Ukranian PM has more power than president. What an irony!
( <------------ hates Yushchenko )"I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
"I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
"I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- DisComment
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You expect Serb to grasp a working democracy? How naive for your age.Originally posted by lord of the mark
The OR was an attempt to assert democratic norms and stop the imposition of a govt by a fraudulent election. That has not changed. Now, by the operation of parliamentary democracy, there has been a shift in power, and the President elected by the OR, has accepted that shift. That is the fulfillment of the OR, not its denial. Tymoshenko can oppose that decision, as is also HER democratic right. This is democratic politics at work, such as does not take place in Belarus, and may not be capable of taking place in Russia.Originally posted by Serb:Please, remind me, how exactly and when exactly, Russia bullied its neighbors?
Originally posted by Ted Striker:Go Serb !
Originally posted by Pekka:If it was possible to capture the essentials of Sepultura in a dildo, I'd attach it to a bicycle and ride it up your azzes.Comment
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Re: Re: How the Orange revolution lost its juice
That's an irony, because:Originally posted by LordShiva
That's not an irony. Under most parliamentary systems of governance, the PM has more power than the President.
1) The decision about changes in Ukranian legislation to make Ukraine a parliamentary republic was made before the Orange Coup (presidential elections crisis).
2) During the Orange Coup, when Yanukovich won a second round of elections he offered a PM's chair to Youshenko, if he accept his defeat at presidential elections and stop the riot. Youshenko refused.
3) Now Yanukovich (whom everybody considered as looser and "a dead man" politician) made a brilliant comeback. Now HE rules the Ukraine, thanks to incompetence and countless failures of the Orange "revolutionists" who screwed up the country within two years of their rule.
And one more thing why I think it's ironic. I remember two years ago most of you were creaming your pants about incoming success of Ukraine, 'cause "now it has a pro-western, liberal, democrat leader" and laughing at me, 'cause I though that "pro-western, liberal, democrat leader" will screw up soon. I was right, so now it's my turn to laugh.Last edited by Serb; August 9, 2006, 03:59.Comment
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Originally posted by Odin
* Odin points to Bush,Attached FilesLast edited by Serb; August 9, 2006, 01:44.Comment
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Originally posted by Odin
* Odin points to Bush,Attached FilesLast edited by Serb; August 9, 2006, 01:45.Comment
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The winner of Leningrad's judo championship of 1975 (no kidding).Originally posted by Odin
* ... then...
Originally posted by Odin
* Mr. PutinAttached FilesComment
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Originally posted by lord of the mark
the Orange Revolution is as juicy as ever, just with less pulp.
The OR was an attempt to assert democratic norms and stop the imposition of a govt by a fraudulent election. The victory of Yushenko was fraudulent. The OR was a successful coup attempt inspired from abroad (and first of all from USA).
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Btw, what do you think about Mexican elections?
I guess, since the guy who came second is leftist, the situation in Mexico is completely different from OR: there was no fraud and everything was fair and square, right?
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Actually, I was discussing this with a Mexican just the other day, and we found that both situations are similar."I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
"I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
"I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- DisComment
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Putin can sure kick assI will never understand why some people on Apolyton find you so clever. You're predictable, mundane, and a google-whore and the most observant of us all know this. Your battles of "wits" rely on obscurity and whenever you fail to find something sufficiently obscure, like this, you just act like a 5 year old. Congratulations, molly.
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He's smiling!Originally posted by Serb
The winner of Leningrad's judo championship of 1975 (no kidding).
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Must be photoshopped thenOriginally posted by Colon™
He's smiling!
The enemy cannot push a button if you disable his hand.Comment
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