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    It has been rumored that Mazda would like to develop several Rotary powered vehicles to spread Rotary power across their product line. This would take advantage of and spread development cost of the RENESIS motor across a greater spectrum of cars.

    All these rumors and our wishful thinking, got RotaryNews speculating and predicting the future of the RENESIS motor and it's uses in different Mazda vehicles/platforms. RN recalls a time when Rotary power was available in a variety of vehicles, and we came up with some ideas based on rumors, lies and even a little fact.

    The fact that Mazda is really good at the front engine/rear wheel drive combination, like RX's and the Miata, and that the Rotary engine is well suited for this application...

    A new RX-3

    Mazda might/could develop a lightweight, low price point, entry level, compact vehicle that would take advantage, of the RENESIS' newfound emissions and mileage standards. The vehicle could be made in the spirit of the RX-3 Coupe and would break away from the now all-consuming front-wheel drive entry level platforms of the market today. The car could be powered by a lower horsepower (160hp-180hp) version of the RENESIS that is easily tunable for higher horsepower, if so desired by new owners. This would hold price point and the ever-important CAF' emissions and mileage standards of the class. We feel that such a car should be priced in the 16K to 18K price range, to expose a whole new generation of young people to Rotary power. This would give Mazda a very unique vehicle for the entry market, which would definitely attract enthusiast of all types to its product line.


    Spec.
    -Never argue with an idiot; He will bring you down to his level and beat you with experience.

  • #2
    Rotary engines ROCK!



    I recall back in the 90's when Ford took veto control (meaning a 1/3 stake) of Mazda their accounts suggested eliminating things like the rotary engine and regular piston driven engines which used the miller cycle for improved fuel economy yet still getting higher output. Ford won with the miller cycle engines (which were planned to be in every nonrotary engine Mazda made) but at least the engineers at Mazda were able to save the rotary. It's a truly intelligent and innovative way of looking at automobile engines.
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    • #3
      I think the title has it right.
      "You're the biggest user of hindsight that I've ever known. Your favorite team, in any sport, is the one that just won. If you were a woman, you'd likely be a slut." - Slowwhand, to Imran

      Eschewing silly games since December 4, 2005

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      • #4
        It is said that if the rotary engine had benifited of the 100 years of evolution of the piston engines, all cars would be rotary powered.

        Spec.
        -Never argue with an idiot; He will bring you down to his level and beat you with experience.

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        • #5
          Back in the late 90's Mazda won the 24 hours at Le Mons by taking 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place with a 1.3 liter twin turbo twin chamber rotary. They beat cars with twice to three times the amount of engine displacement. Rotaries can pack a lot of punch into a very small engine.
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          • #6
            Man, if that tunable RX-3 was ever actually made and sold for the quoted $16k to $18k then every high school drag race would feature the RX-3. The RX engines can be completely changed in their performance with just the change of a chip because unlike piston engines the RX requires huge amounts of computer control. That's where the street tuner can modify the engine performance with just a few hundred bucks and end up with 25%-40% more horse power. Of course the state wouldn't like them doing it because of the extra smog those engines would produce not to mention the extra gas they'd consume but that would still be cool.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Oerdin
              Back in the late 90's Mazda won the 24 hours at Le Mons by taking 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place with a 1.3 liter twin turbo twin chamber rotary. They beat cars with twice to three times the amount of engine displacement. Rotaries can pack a lot of punch into a very small engine.
              Actually, it was a 4 rotor engine, 2.6l. Its the 787b. Here's a link: http://www.rotaryengineillustrated.com/videos.php

              Click on the 4 rotor 787B...Listen to that engine...sigh...And as you can see, there are some other crazy sobs that put 4 rotor engines in their RX7.
              One day I'll swap mine, but for a 3 rotor 2.0b TT.

              Spec.
              -Never argue with an idiot; He will bring you down to his level and beat you with experience.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Oerdin
                Man, if that tunable RX-3 was ever actually made and sold for the quoted $16k to $18k then every high school drag race would feature the RX-3. The RX engines can be completely changed in their performance with just the change of a chip because unlike piston engines the RX requires huge amounts of computer control. That's where the street tuner can modify the engine performance with just a few hundred bucks and end up with 25%-40% more horse power. Of course the state wouldn't like them doing it because of the extra smog those engines would produce not to mention the extra gas they'd consume but that would still be cool.
                Also, a rotary engine gains 13% to 17% by just changing the whole exhaust by a header, hi flow cat and mufflers compared to 4 to 6% with a piston engine.

                Rotary engines

                Rotary engine fuel consumption

                My RX7 does 18L/100km or 13miles/gal... With mods of course. But basicly, that's one of the main reason why they stopped selling 7's in north america, 1995 in Canada, 1996 in the US. In japan they went til 2002. But that consumption problem is supposed to be fixed with the new Renesis engine for the RX-8. If I'm not mistaking, its something around 10L/100km.

                Spec.
                -Never argue with an idiot; He will bring you down to his level and beat you with experience.

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                • #9
                  smog = bad
                  I need a foot massage

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                  • #10
                    Party pooper.



                    Spec
                    -Never argue with an idiot; He will bring you down to his level and beat you with experience.

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                    • #11
                      I just went

                      in the complete opposite direction by buying a Toyota Prius.
                      “It is no use trying to 'see through' first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To 'see through' all things is the same as not to see.”

                      ― C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man

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                      • #12
                        I thought Mazda's were pretty good until I bought one and found out they had Ford (ie crap****) transmissions that fail everytime you look at them. Just say no to american cars!
                        We need seperate human-only games for MP/PBEM that dont include the over-simplifications required to have a good AI
                        If any man be thirsty, let him come unto me and drink. Vampire 7:37
                        Just one old soldiers opinion. E Tenebris Lux. Pax quaeritur bello.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by SpencerH
                          I thought Mazda's were pretty good until I bought one and found out they had Ford (ie crap****) transmissions that fail everytime you look at them.
                          Dont judge Mazda in general for that matter, or anyother company. For example, RX7s are 100% japan domestic made. And so are many others. This happens in most companies. Toyta Matrix and pontiac Vibe are the same. Honda traded the 2.2l from saturn for their 3.5 V6 thechnology. It happens all over.

                          Just say no to american cars!
                          I agree...in general.


                          Spec.
                          -Never argue with an idiot; He will bring you down to his level and beat you with experience.

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                          • #14
                            Re: I just went

                            Originally posted by pchang
                            in the complete opposite direction by buying a Toyota Prius.
                            And die of bordum while driving creating a huge accident making 36 dead.

                            Toyota prius are very unsafe cars you know...


                            Spec.
                            -Never argue with an idiot; He will bring you down to his level and beat you with experience.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Spec


                              Actually, it was a 4 rotor engine, 2.6l. Its the 787b. Here's a link: http://www.rotaryengineillustrated.com/videos.php
                              OK, so they took two of their 1.3 liter twin rotor engines and put them together forming a 2.6 liter four rotor engine?
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