Who thinks the USS Liberty incident bears a striking resemblace to the UN post deaths

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Cruelity posted this on a different site and I thought it was worth reporting. It originally came from the Canadian paper the Ottawa Citizen.



Basically the Canadian paper is saying that UN personal in the field repeatedly complained to higher that Hezbollah was using them as human shields by launching attacks and starting fire fights right next to or on top of UN posts. Even the Canadian soldier who was killed yesterday himself said that Hezbollah was deliberately right next to UN positions and was attacking Israelis hoping that either the Israelis wouldn't return fire out of fear of hitting the UN or that if the Israelis did return fire that they'd also kill the UN people. Either way it works for the terrorists.

Bosnian Serb "militia" did the same thing with 120mm mortars to attack Sarajevo in the '90s. Pull up right outside a UN observation post, set up the 120, and fire, knowing that they would be immune to counterbattery fire. The Israelis apparently learned from that experience, too.

[Lodi]

The original question was about punishment. Israel did what they did for their own reasons.

Apparently the UN observers observed something ((probably nothing earth shattering) and uber-rogue state Israel (part of the globalist system, by the way) decided to hit the station. Not just accidentally once, but 14 times.

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/sto...p-369168c.html

UN spokesman Milos Struger said Israel fired at least 14 rockets at the base before scoring a direct hit.

But back to the original post. I do not this the hit on the UN outpost is not very reminiscent to the USS Liberty incident.

The USS LIberty attack was a false flag operation aimed at sinking the Liberty, placing blame on Egypt, and allowing LBJ to enter the Mideast conflict that was going on at that time.

The UN post hit was just another one of the illegitimate attacks the Israels are doing within Lebanon; ie attacks on Red Cross ambulances and fleeing civilian convoys.

[chequita guevara]

Re: Re: Who thinks the USS Liberty incident bears a striking resemblace to the UN pos

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
Details, details, it was 34 killed. And three bombs on an typically anonymous looking bunker on land isn't the same as combined sea and air attacks on a ship with a unique, unmistakeable profile, cruising all by its lonesome on the open sea.

It was flying a big UN flag. It was pretty noticable.

[Vince278]

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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
It was flying a big UN flag. It was pretty noticable.

Big enough for Hezbollah to hide behind.

[MichaeltheGreat]

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Originally posted by chegitz guevara

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
Details, details, it was 34 killed. And three bombs on an typically anonymous looking bunker on land isn't the same as combined sea and air attacks on a ship with a unique, unmistakeable profile, cruising all by its lonesome on the open sea.

It was flying a big UN flag. It was pretty noticable.

Was that at the specific time it was targeted and hit? Or had typical battlefield conditions, not to mention Hisbullah backblasts, Israeli far at Hisbullah positions, etc., possibly obscured (if not shredded) that little blue flag? (Which in any event doesn't look like much through a FLIR camera.)

Not to say the Israelis didn't intentionally take it out, but the usual "everything the Israelis ever do is evil" crowd, who typically don't know **** about the reality of combat, are automatically assuming an intent to kill UN MILOBS, as opposed to simply targeting Hisbullah with a "let God sort 'em out" mentality, or assuming Hisbullah was operating from the position, as opposed just a few meters away.

Whether it's a "war sucks" incident, or something worse, has yet to be determined by real evidence. The real evidence wrt the attack on the Liberty was overwhelming. The evidence here is far, far less so, unless something really new and interesting pops up.

[General Ludd]

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Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat


Was that at the specific time it was targeted and hit? Or had typical battlefield conditions, not to mention Hisbullah backblasts, Israeli far at Hisbullah positions, etc., possibly obscured (if not shredded) that little blue flag? (Which in any event doesn't look like much through a FLIR camera.)

I believe it's actually painted on the roof so that it's visable from the air.

[notyoueither]

What is the difference between dropping a bomb on a house with 6 kids in it because a rocket laucher is out the back door, or dropping a bomb on a UN bunker with 4 soldiers in it with a similar rocket launcher out the back door?

[SpencerH]

Originally posted by notyoueither
What is the difference between dropping a bomb on a house with 6 kids in it because a rocket laucher is out the back door, or dropping a bomb on a UN bunker with 4 soldiers in it with a similar rocket launcher out the back door?

Is that one of those weird eastern philosophical questions that has no answer but is supposed to make one think "deep thoughts"? If it is, you can count me out!

[MichaeltheGreat]

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Originally posted by General Ludd


I believe it's actually painted on the roof so that it's visable from the air.

Which is nice if you have pristine viewing conditions, but that wasn't likely the case after exchanges of Hisbullah firing from the general area and Israeli arty and aerial ordnance.

[General Ludd]

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Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat


Which is nice if you have pristine viewing conditions, but that wasn't likely the case after exchanges of Hisbullah firing from the general area and Israeli arty and aerial ordnance.

Even if the giant UN on the roof was obscured by a cloud of smoke (from the previous bombardments of the bunker, perhaps?) Then the UN notifying the IDF of it's location, and repeatedly telling them that they had been bombing in it's vicinity should of made the nature of the bunker quite clear.

[MichaeltheGreat]

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Originally posted by General Ludd


Even if the giant UN on the roof was obscured by a cloud of smoke (from the previous bombardments of the bunker, perhaps?) Then the UN notifying the IDF of it's location, and repeatedly telling them that they had been bombing in it's vicinity should of made the nature of the bunker quite clear.

Maybe it did, but that presumes that the chain of communications from UN to Israeli governement to IDF through the chain of command to the pilots in question works quickly and efficiently. The Israelis were targeting Hisbullah fighters in the area.

The point is that the specific intent behind the targeting is not yet known, so anything other than the bunker being destroyed is speculation.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Oerdin


Not really. Israel was aiming at the Hezbollah who were deliberately placing themselves as close to the UN as possible and then firing on the Israelis.

Exactly.

I don't understand how any reasonable person can believe Israel deliberately targeted the UN personel.

Anyone who believes that garbage is a moron.

But then again, we've got a lot of people who know nothing about war, have no military experience, obviously can't begin to imagine what combat is like, and want to sit here and believe all these wild conspiracy theories and just bash Israel because doing so fits in with their warped and twisted world view.

And not that military experience is necessary to understand this situation, but it's obvious that a lot of people without it are just incapable of understanding what combat is like while some others might have a better idea of the confusion of what the situation on the ground must be like, despite a lack of experience... or some experience in the military, but non-combat, etc...

But all of this is refreshing. It gives me an opportunity to understand who I should take seriously and whose opinions I really shouldn't pay any attention to.

[Slaughtermeyer]

Originally posted by Sava


Exactly.

I don't understand how any reasonable person can believe Israel deliberately targeted the UN personel.

Anyone who believes that garbage is a moron.

No doubt you would also have trouble understanding how any reasonable person can believe Israel deliberately tried to blow up US and UK targets as part of "Operation Susanah".

http://www.mideastweb.org/lavon.htm

[Kuciwalker]

Unbelievable!

[Slaughtermeyer]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Unbelievable!

In the words of Israeli MK and former Education Minister Yossi Sarid speaking about an unrelated Israeli conspiracy,

In recent years, when people say to me, "no, that can't be," I tend to respond by relying on bitter experience, and say, "yes, it can." When they say "that's inconceivable," I say, "conceivable - and conceived." In the midst of all the chaos, in these times when "there is no king in Israel," no responsible person can rule out even the most preposterous scenarios.