Sectarian break-up of Iraq is now inevitable, admit officials

[Kuciwalker]

Nothing, which is what freaked me out.

[Footie Mad]

Originally posted by BlackCat


So what if it's artificial - we are living in a multicultural world where we shall respect people from other cultures - they just have to learn to live with each others.

Stop trying to cram your vision of humanity and what should be down the throat of people who obviously wish to be independent from each other. A country is nothing if it does not reflect the will of the people.

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Footie Mad


Stop trying to cram your vision of humanity and what should be down the throat of people who obviously wish to be independent from each other. A country is nothing if it does not reflect the will of the people.

This is really funny. When I use the "multicultural world" argument on Iraq, then I'm just evil, and if I try to use the same argument locally I'm too evil because I won't accept we are living in a multicultural world.

[Geronimo]

Originally posted by MOBIUS


Apparently it is to you.

As a member of the pro-coalition movement, you're supposed to claim that this a) isn't happening and b) won't happen.

Therefore if it does happen, you will be proved wrong.

I won't speak for sloww but a lot of people who might think of themselves as "pro-coalition" are and have been from the beginning totally opposed to the decision to invade and foresaw many if not all of the immense difficulties the coalition now faces in trying to deal with the seemingly endless fallout of the invasion.

For such people being "pro-coalition" simply means hoping for the best possible outcome for the coalition rather than buying into the various lines of BS that were used and continue to be used to justify the invasion and gloss over it's abysmal consequences.

[SlowwHand]

Originally posted by Wycoff


What's nonsensical about thinking Kurds might harbor irredentist ambitions?

I don't like dentists, myself. I think anyone wanting to be one is a sadist.

[Dr Strangelove]

Would dividing Iraq up stop the violence? Gee, did dividing India up stop the violence? Did dividing Ireland up stop the violence? Did dividing the USA up stop the violence?

I think that reflecting upon what happened in India in 1948 would be useful at this time.

[Elok]

Originally posted by BlackCat
So what if it's artificial - we are living in a multicultural world where we shall respect people from other cultures - they just have to learn to live with each others.

Uh, because they aren't a country in the usual sense of the word. Iraq has no national identity to speak of, since it was more or less arbitrarily assembled from disparate groups of people with no particular attachment to one another, without their consent. It's as though France and Germany had been assembled into a single country by an outside bureaucracy; they might be an administrative whole but each would continue to think of the other as a clump of resident aliens. And there's nothing like being forced to live with your neighbor to make you hate his guts. They aren't the slightest bit interested in respecting each others' cultures, but they're at least somewhat more likely to try it if we let them have their own personal spaces instead of cramming them together.

[GePap]

Syria, Iran, and specially Turkey would all do everything they could to undermine an independent Kurdish state. Turkey currently is angry because they claim the PKK is back and using Northern Iraq as a sanctuary, and they are asking why, if Israel gets to attack Lebanon, they can't invade the kurdish regions of Iraq. If Iraq broke up, it would mean aregional war as Turkey, Iran, Syria, and KSA would all come into the fight, because they would all have interests in the outcome.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by BlackCat




This is really funny. When I use the "multicultural world" argument on Iraq, then I'm just evil, and if I try to use the same argument locally I'm too evil because I won't accept we are living in a multicultural world.

Now you're getting it.

[Barnabas]

This is great news, now that yanks have the chance of doing something good for once, they should do their best to give the kurds the country they have been promised for so long.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Elok


Uh, because they aren't a country in the usual sense of the word. Iraq has no national identity to speak of, since it was more or less arbitrarily assembled from disparate groups of people with no particular attachment to one another, without their consent. It's as though France and Germany had been assembled into a single country by an outside bureaucracy; they might be an administrative whole but each would continue to think of the other as a clump of resident aliens. And there's nothing like being forced to live with your neighbor to make you hate his guts. They aren't the slightest bit interested in respecting each others' cultures, but they're at least somewhat more likely to try it if we let them have their own personal spaces instead of cramming them together.

Funnily enough, cramming them together in the west isn't working out so well either.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Brachy-Pride
This is great news, now that yanks have the chance of doing something good for once, they should do their best to give the kurds the country they have been promised for so long.

The US is not going to back an independent Kurdish state in the face of massive Arab and Turkish hostility. Turkey and KSA and Jordan are all more vital US allies than an independent Kurdistan would be. Even if the Kurds had oil, they need to ship it, and guess what? They can only do it through Arab or Turkish lands.

[OzzyKP]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
Would dividing Iraq up stop the violence? Gee, did dividing India up stop the violence? Did dividing Ireland up stop the violence? Did dividing the USA up stop the violence?

[chequita guevara]

We didn't stay divided, obviously, Ozzy Had a little throw down. You might remember it, went by the sname, Teh Civil War

[OzzyKP]

Yea but it isn't like we decided to divide and then violence broke out later. Nor was the country divided in an attempt to avoid violence. I don't see how the situations are comparable.