Iran ready to compromise

[Lancer]

Israel can do what they want right now and I don't see any players that can stop them. This is perhaps their last chance to strong arm Iran prior to their getting nukes. If I was Israel I would be very interested in destroying Iran from the air at least. Not only would I take out their bomb making ability but also their infrastructure. I'd teach them the meaning of terror so they would be less inclined to get involved in it in the future.

Europe isn't a player anymore except for GB. France is influenced by their huge moslem population because their leadership seems to think that they can be bought through anti US stance, and Germany seems to be pawns of the Russians due to their dependance on Russia for fuel.

We, the US, might be able to free Germany up a bit by getting Russia on our side, but that entails getting in bed with Putin, yuck. Also, if you do that it would free Germany up, but do the Germans have a clue? Besides our Germans here in Poly I'm not impressed with the average Hun, too touchy feely. The blond babes are in control.

Ecthy, BeBro and Sir Ralph get into the top political positions and there may yet be hope.

Oh hell, there goes my credibility. Oh wait, what credibility?

[Edan]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Making a bomb isn't that hard . . . if you have the right fissible material. That is the extremely hard part, and why so few countries have managed to make bombs despite the plans being widely available. Material for use in a bomb needs to be many, many times more refined than what you need to use in a reactor. Iran simply doesn't have the necessary equipment to make a bomb in a relatively short time. It requires ten thousand centrifuges to refine uranium to the point that you can make a workable bomb. They have 180. You do the math.

OK.

If they had 50,000 centrifuges, they could get enough material to make a bomb in 16 days.

They have 164.

50000/164 = ~305.
305 * 16 = ~4878
4878/365 = ~13.3 years.

Iran claims that they will construct 3000 centrifuges next year.

link

Rademaker said the technology to enrich uranium to a low level could also be used to make weapons-grade uranium, saying that it would take a little over 13 years to produce enough highly enriched uranium for a nuclear weapon with the 164 centrifuges currently in use.

Iran has informed the Vienna-based International Atomic Energy Agency that it plans to construct 3,000 centrifuges at Natanz next year, Rademaker said.

``We calculate that a 3,000-machine cascade could produce enough uranium to build a nuclear weapon within 271 days,'' he said.

[DinoDoc]

che = pwnd.

[chequita guevara]

Yep.

[Az]

Edan pwns

Actually, this idea was brewing in my head: Hizbullah attacked on orders from Iran to divert the topic of the G8 summit.

Since it's proxy getting hammered doesn't really hurt Iran, and shouldn't interfere with any of it's actions, I think it might have something up it's sleeve.

[Ecthy]

Fine, I'm willing to accept that logic. Calling my ideas strange or stupid is quite rich.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Az
Actually, this idea was brewing in my head: Hizbullah attacked on orders from Iran to divert the topic of the G8 summit.

Since it's proxy getting hammered doesn't really hurt Iran, and shouldn't interfere with any of it's actions, I think it might have something up it's sleeve.

Could be. Iran is far sneakier and cunning that a lot of people in the West give them credit for.

[Kuciwalker]

Those people being Agathon, che, GePap, etc.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Those people being Agathon, che, GePap, etc.

Actually I was thinking more you, Drake, nye, etc. Che and GePap, at any rate, realize how pragmatic Iran is and that they'd never actually use a nuclear missile (that'd just end up in them being destroyed).

[Flip McWho]

Aye, nobody wants to rule a glass carpark. And even though the places might be the hot bed of religious fundamentalism in which 'we' cannot trust noone this won't matter to the people in power and they'll remain fairly pragmatic.

[Flip McWho]

In Iran, the west will continue down the paranoia road and possibly try to yammer on about attack this and attack that.

Because war solves everything.

[Flip McWho]

From:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3733910a12,00.html

Iran says UN nuclear referral 'not constructive'
17 July 2006


TEHRAN: Iran said sending its nuclear file back to the UN Security Council undermined the prospect for talks over its atomic dispute with the West.


Iran's case was referred back to the council after Tehran failed to respond to a set of proposals backed by six world powers which called for Tehran to halt uranium enrichment in return for economic and diplomatic incentives.

Tehran publicly insists it wants to talk but has refused to give up enrichment. Western diplomats said Iran's top nuclear negotiator gave no sign he was interested in negotiating when he met the European Union foreign policy chief on Tuesday.

"We believe that the proposed package is a suitable and acceptable basis to work on, but we believe that this package ... should be developed through talks," Foreign Ministry spokesman Hamid Reza Asefi told a weekly news conference.

"The path of the Security Council is not a constructive path. The constructive path is holding talks ... If they refer the case to the Security Council, no matter what the (UN) resolution will be, it means that they have not adopted the path of talks," he said.

Five permanent Security Council members, the United States, France, Britain, Russia, China, plus Germany offered Iran the nuclear package but on Wednesday asked the Security Council to intervene after Tehran failed to reply.

Iran says it will respond by August 22.
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The West says Iran wants to enrich uranium to produce atomic bombs, a charge Iran denies. Tehran insists its nuclear ambitions are purely civilian.

Ok assuming that it will take roughly 13yrs to develop nuke usuable fuel then why won't the west just wait till August the 22nd?

Why does it have to be solved now?

[Drake Tungsten]

Actually I was thinking more you, Drake, nye, etc.

I don't know where you got the idea that I don't think the Iranians are cunning.

Che and GePap, at any rate, realize how pragmatic Iran is and that they'd never actually use a nuclear missile (that'd just end up in them being destroyed).

I don't think many people are concerned about Iran launching a nuclear missile at someone. They are concerned about a nuclear-armed Iran knowingly or unknowingly putting nuclear materials/expertise into the hands of terrorist groups. It's bad enough that Pakistan has the bomb; letting Iran go nuclear as well would make the risk of nuclear proliferation to Islamist groups that much worse.

Meanwhile, countries in the region have completely different reasons for fearing a nuclear Iran.

[Az]

realize how pragmatic Iran is and that they'd never actually use a nuclear missile (that'd just end up in them being destroyed).

what drake said.

[Edan]

Originally posted by Az
Edan pwns

Actually, this idea was brewing in my head: Hizbullah attacked on orders from Iran to divert the topic of the G8 summit.

Since it's proxy getting hammered doesn't really hurt Iran, and shouldn't interfere with any of it's actions, I think it might have something up it's sleeve.

I actually think this has drawn more attention on Iran - the summit was supposed to be about education, energy and health. While Iran would have undoubtably been discussed, it's probably playing a more central role now as one of the instigators of the situation. Of course, it's possible that Iran underestimated the consequences of the provocation, and didn't expect the current situation.