Poly 2 Fantasy Football - the Draft, Part Deux

[Japher]

Is he likely to catch for 10 TDs in year N+2? Sure. But he didn't

What are you talking about? He had 9 TDs in N+2. If someone had said he was likely to have 10 TD that year, and had 9, I would say that was a pretty good bet.

[Imran Siddiqui]

The 3rd year breakout thing is mostly a myth.

It really isn't. There have been scores of recievers who have broken out in their 3rd seasons. Far more than those who have broken out in their 2nd or later years. The fact that it happens so often indicates that it is a common phenomenon. Especially with a player like Williams who seems to be right on the verge.

I'm also not convinced that Martz makes people that much better. He had a Hall of Fame halfback and two Hall of Fame level WRs. And by this point, to say that it was the schemes and not the incredible talent of Faulk, Bruce, and Holt is absurd. It's like saying Indianapolis OC Tom Moore is a genius.

Well, aside from the fact that Faulk had his best years under Martz's offense, no matter what you think of Martz, he is 1000000x better than Mooch's offense.

And if you do ask people inside the NFL, they'll tell you that Martz' schemes were just as responsible for the success of the offense as were Faulk, Bruce, and Holt. It isn't like Warner or Bulger called their own plays or anything.

It's almost like saying Don Coryell was a hack because he had Dan Fouts and Kellen Winslow.

[Jaguar]

Originally posted by Japher


What are you talking about? He had 9 TDs in N+2. If someone had said he was likely to have 10 TD that year, and had 9, I would say that was a pretty good bet.

Well, you'd still have lost the bet. He fell short of 10 TDs despite being off to one of the best six year starts in NFL history. Holt right now has more yards than Rice did at the same point in his career.

Roy Williams hasn't had a spectacular start yet, which is fine, he could be a third year bloomer or later. But if one of the most prolific WRs ever doesn't always make it to 10 touchdowns, it's crazy for Imran to suggest Williams is more likely than not to reach 10 touchdowns. Especially considering how random the TD distribution is. Joe Jurevicius got 10 on only 600something yards, while Reggie Wayne got about 5 on 1200.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Why is it crazy when he's had 8 TDs for each of his first two years while with a horrid QB and a horrid offensive system? It only goes to figure that he has a very very good chance to hit double digits with a better QB and a far, far better offensive system. And he hits his 3rd year.

Williams has shown himself to have an eye for the endzone. I don't see why those TD numbers shouldn't increase with more passes caught.

[Jaguar]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

The 3rd year breakout thing is mostly a myth.

It really isn't. There have been scores of recievers who have broken out in their 3rd seasons. Far more than those who have broken out in their 2nd or later years. The fact that it happens so often indicates that it is a common phenomenon. Especially with a player like Williams who seems to be right on the verge.

I'm also not convinced that Martz makes people that much better. He had a Hall of Fame halfback and two Hall of Fame level WRs. And by this point, to say that it was the schemes and not the incredible talent of Faulk, Bruce, and Holt is absurd. It's like saying Indianapolis OC Tom Moore is a genius.

Well, aside from the fact that Faulk had his best years under Martz's offense, no matter what you think of Martz, he is 1000000x better than Mooch's offense.

And if you do ask people inside the NFL, they'll tell you that Martz' schemes were just as responsible for the success of the offense as were Faulk, Bruce, and Holt. It isn't like Warner or Bulger called their own plays or anything.

It's almost like saying Don Coryell was a hack because he had Dan Fouts and Kellen Winslow.

I certainly don't mean to disparage Martz's skills, but I think some terrible coaches could make spectacular offenses with the players Martz had. It is a fair question to ask, why Moore isn't considered a genius but Martz is.

Mariucci, on the other hand, was godawful. He passed the ball 89% of the time on 3rd and 2. (Unsurprisingly, runs on 3rd and 2 are far more likely to be successful.)

The outlook is good for Williams, sure, and if he catches for 1200 and 9 TDs, we'll applaud his breakout. Incidentally, those are also Driver's 2004 numbers. For a 2nd or 3rd WR, which Driver should be on a good fantasy team, I find it preferable to have a reliable guy, and then take the fliers later on in the draft.

[Imran Siddiqui]

I certainly don't mean to disparage Martz's skills, but I think some terrible coaches could make spectacular offenses with the players Martz had. It is a fair question to ask, why Moore isn't considered a genius but Martz is.

Very simply, because it isn't about the players. Moore does not exactly play an innovative style of offense. Coryell had wonderful offensive players, but created a new system (Air Coryell wasn't just throwing it deep, btw). Martz, similar. Though he had good players (and who is really know if Holt would have been as good as he turned out to be with different coaching), Martz is well known for his ultra complicated schemes, which cause defensive coordinators fits. It's one thing to have great players at every position (Cincy, Indy both in 2006 for example). It is quite another to have an innovative system in place.

It's why Bill Walsh is revered, even though he had Montana.

if he catches for 1200 and 9 TDs, we'll applaud his breakout

Probably not. That's only 1 more TD and 400 more yards than his rookie year. I'm thinking more 1300-1400 yards and 13 TDs as the breakout year.

[Jaguar]

One more word on the 3rd year breakout, before I need to do some work. If it's so common, there should have been some third year breakouts last year.

Name one.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Exception proves the rule (though Kevin Curtis was limited in a 3rd reciever role and put up big numbers for that role)

Just ignore Javon Walker, Steve Smith, Terrell Owens (look at those TDs), Plaxico Burress, Rod Smith, Eric Moulds, Santana Moss, Laverneus Coles, Jerry Porter, etc.

[Jaguar]

Pretty easy when you list guys from about six different draft classes.

Walker was the only 3rd year breakout with over 1000 yards in 2004. Steve Smith and Santana Moss were the only ones to fit those criteria in 2003.

So yes, of Roy Williams, Lee Evans, Michael Jenkins, Ernest Wilford, Bernard Berrian, Samie Parker, etc, we can expect at most a couple of guys from the 2004 draft class to make a significant leap. The rest will bloom later, or not at all.

[vlad]

1.01) Albert Speer - Tiki Barber - RB - NYG
1.02) Zopperoni - Larry Johnson - RB - KC
1.03) Berzerker - Shaun Alexander - RB - SEA
1.04) Stuie - Peyton Manning - QB - IND
1.05) SlowwHand - LaDainian Tomlinson - RB - SD
1.06) Japher - Clinton Portis - RB - WAS
1.07) Spaced Cowboy - Rudi Johnson - RB - CIN
1.08) Donegeal - Edgerrin James - RB - ARI
1.09) Snoopy369 - Stephen Jackson - RB - StL
1.10) Koyaanisqatsi - Ronnie Brown - RB - MIA
1.11) Vlad - LaMont Jordan - RB - OAK
1.12) Jaguar - Brian Westbrook - RB - PHI
1.13) Tuberski - Carnell Williams - RB - TB
1.14) Reismark - Willis McGahee - RB - BUF

2.14) Reismark - Steve Smith - WR - CAR
2.13) Tuberski - Larry Fitzgerald - WR - ARI
2.12) Jaguar - Domanick Davis RB - HOU
2.11) Vlad-Randy Moss - WR - OAK
2.10) Koyaanisqatsi - Tom Brady - QB - NE
2.09) Snoopy369 - Chad Johnson - WR - CIN
2.08) Donegeal - Julius Jones - RB - DAL
2.07) Spaced Cowboy - Drew Bledsoe - QB - DAL
2.06) Japher - Marvin Harrison - WR - IND
2.05) SlowwHand - Terrell Owens - WR - DAL
2.04) Stuie - Warrick Dunn - RB - ATL
2.03) Berzerker - Anquan Boldin - WR - ARI
2.02) Zopperoni - Torry Holt - WR - StL
2.01) Albert Speer - Trent Green - QB - KC

3.01) Albert Speer - Chris Chambers - WR - MIA
3.02) Zopperoni - Kevin Jones - RB - DET
3.03) Berzerker - Tatum Bell - RB - DEN
3.04) Stuie - Hines Ward - WR - PIT
3.05) SlowwHand - Reuben Droughns - RB - CLE
3.06) Japher - Reggie Bush - RB - NO
3.07) Spaced Cowboy - Santana Moss - WR - WAS
3.08) Donegeal - Willie Parker - RB - PIT
3.09) Snoopy369 - Carson Palmer - QB - CIN
3.10) Koyaanisqatsi - Reggie Wayne - WR - IND
3.11) Vlad - Matt Hasselbeck - QB - SEA
3.12) Jaguar - Antonio Gates - TE - SD
3.13) Tuberski - Corey Dillon - RB - NE
3.14) Reismark - Jamal Lewis - RB - BAL

4.14) Reismark - Roy Williams WR - DET
4.13) Tuberski - Joe Horn WR - NO
4.12) Jaguar - Chester Taylor RB - MIN
4.11) Vlad-Tony Gonzalez- TE - KC
4.10) Koyaanisqatsi - DeShaun Foster RB - CAR
4.09) Snoopy369 - Darrell Jackson WR - SEA
4.08) Donegeal - Jake Delhomme - QB - CAR
4.07) Spaced Cowboy - Joseph Addai - RB - IND
4.06) Japher - Eli Manning - QB - NYG
4.05) SlowwHand - Marc Bulger - QB- StL
4.04) Stuie - Joey Galloway - WR - TB
4.03) Berzerker - Donovan McNabb - QB - PHI
4.02) Zopperoni - T.J. Houshmandzadeh - WR - CIN
4.01) Albert Speer - Thomas Jones - RB - CHI

5.01) Albert Speer - Plaxico Burress - WR - NYG
5.02) Zopperoni - Donald Driver - WR - GB
5.03) Berzerker - Jeremy Shockey - TE - NYG
5.04) Stuie - Todd Heap - TE - BAL
5.05) SlowwHand - Andre Johnson - WR - HOU
5.06) Japher - Javon Walker - WR - DEN
5.07) Spaced Cowboy - Jason Witten - TE - DAL
5.08) Donegeal - Lee Evans - WR - BUF
5.09) Snoopy369 - Fred Taylor - RB - JAX
5.10) Koyaanisqatsi - Deion Branch - WR - NE
5.11) Vlad - Kurt Warner - QB - ARZ
5.12) Jaguar - Derrick Mason - WR - BAL
5.13) Tuberski - Drew Brees - QB - NO
5.14) Reismark - Deuce McAllister - RB - NO

6.14) Reismark - Dante Culpepper - QB - MIA
6.13) Tuberski - Kellen Winslow Jr. - TE - CLE
6.12) Jaguar - Rod Smith - WR - DEN
6.11) Vlad- Ron Dayne- RB- DEN
6.10) Koyaanisqatsi - Michael Clayton - WR - TB
6.09) Snoopy369 - Donte Stallworth - WR - NO
6.08) Donegeal - Koren Robinson - WR - MIN
6.07) Spaced Cowboy - Terry Glenn - WR - DAL
6.06) Japher - DeAngelo Williams - RB - CAR
6.05) SlowwHand - Chris Cooley - TE - WAS
6.04) Stuie - Curtis Martin - RB - NYJ
6.03) Berzerker - Ahman Green - RB - GB
6.02) Zopperoni - Eddie Kennison - WR - KC
6.01) Albert Speer - Alge Crumpler - TE - ATL

7.01) Albert Speer - Matt Jones - WR - JAX
7.02) Zopperoni - Jake Plummer - QB - DEN
7.03) Berzerker - Frank Gore - RB - SF
7.04) Stuie - Keenan McCardell - WR - SD
7.05) SlowwHand - Marion Barber - RB - DAL
7.06) Japher - Michael Vick - QB - ATL
7.07) Spaced Cowboy - Chris Perry - RB - CIN
7.08) Donegeal - Brian Urlacher - LB - CHI
7.09) Snoopy369 - Dominic Rhodes RB - IND
7.10) Koyaanisqatsi - Jonathan Vilma - LB - NYJ
7.11) Vlad - Samkon Gado - RB - GB
7.12) Jaguar - Keith Bulluck - LB - TEN
7.13) Tuberski - Jerry Porter - WR - OAK
7.14) Reismark - Donnie Edwards - LB - SD

8.14) Reismark - Heath Miller - TE - PIT
8.13) Tuberski - Chris Brown - RB - TEN
8.12) Jaguar - Terrence McGee - DB - BUF
8.11) Vlad- Nate Burleson - WR - SEA
8.10) Koyaanisqatsi - Lofa Tatupu - LB - SEA
8.09) Snoopy369 - Mike Peterson - LB - JAX
8.08) Donegeal - Zach Thomas - LB - MIA
8.07) Spaced Cowboy - Cedric Benson - RB - CHI
8.06) Japher - Vernon Davis - TE - SF
8.05) SlowwHand - A.J. Hawk - LB - GB
8.04) Stuie - Mewelde Moore - RB - MIN
8.03) Berzerker - Pacman Jones - DB - TEN
8.02) Zopperoni - Ray Lewis - LB - BAL
8.01) Albert Speer - Antonio Pierce - LB - NYG

9.01) Albert Speer - Chris Simms - QB -TB
9.02) Zopperoni - Drew Bennett - WR - TEN
9.03) Berzerker - Muhsin Muhammad WR - CHI
9.04) Stuie - Reggie Brown - WR - PHI
9.05) SlowwHand - Jeremiah Trotter - LB - PHI
9.06) Japher - Brandon Lloyd - WR - WAS
9.07) Spaced Cowboy - Ben Roethlisberger - QB - PIT
9.08) Donegeal - London Fletcher - LB - BUF
9.09) Snoopy369 - Andra Davis - LB - CLE
9.10) Koyaanisqatsi - Derrick Brooks - LB - TB
9.11) Vlad -Mark Clayton - WR- BAL
9.12) Jaguar -
9.13) Tuberski -
9.14) Reismark -

[Jaguar]

1.01) Albert Speer - Tiki Barber - RB - NYG
1.02) Zopperoni - Larry Johnson - RB - KC
1.03) Berzerker - Shaun Alexander - RB - SEA
1.04) Stuie - Peyton Manning - QB - IND
1.05) SlowwHand - LaDainian Tomlinson - RB - SD
1.06) Japher - Clinton Portis - RB - WAS
1.07) Spaced Cowboy - Rudi Johnson - RB - CIN
1.08) Donegeal - Edgerrin James - RB - ARI
1.09) Snoopy369 - Stephen Jackson - RB - StL
1.10) Koyaanisqatsi - Ronnie Brown - RB - MIA
1.11) Vlad - LaMont Jordan - RB - OAK
1.12) Jaguar - Brian Westbrook - RB - PHI
1.13) Tuberski - Carnell Williams - RB - TB
1.14) Reismark - Willis McGahee - RB - BUF

2.14) Reismark - Steve Smith - WR - CAR
2.13) Tuberski - Larry Fitzgerald - WR - ARI
2.12) Jaguar - Domanick Davis RB - HOU
2.11) Vlad-Randy Moss - WR - OAK
2.10) Koyaanisqatsi - Tom Brady - QB - NE
2.09) Snoopy369 - Chad Johnson - WR - CIN
2.08) Donegeal - Julius Jones - RB - DAL
2.07) Spaced Cowboy - Drew Bledsoe - QB - DAL
2.06) Japher - Marvin Harrison - WR - IND
2.05) SlowwHand - Terrell Owens - WR - DAL
2.04) Stuie - Warrick Dunn - RB - ATL
2.03) Berzerker - Anquan Boldin - WR - ARI
2.02) Zopperoni - Torry Holt - WR - StL
2.01) Albert Speer - Trent Green - QB - KC

3.01) Albert Speer - Chris Chambers - WR - MIA
3.02) Zopperoni - Kevin Jones - RB - DET
3.03) Berzerker - Tatum Bell - RB - DEN
3.04) Stuie - Hines Ward - WR - PIT
3.05) SlowwHand - Reuben Droughns - RB - CLE
3.06) Japher - Reggie Bush - RB - NO
3.07) Spaced Cowboy - Santana Moss - WR - WAS
3.08) Donegeal - Willie Parker - RB - PIT
3.09) Snoopy369 - Carson Palmer - QB - CIN
3.10) Koyaanisqatsi - Reggie Wayne - WR - IND
3.11) Vlad - Matt Hasselbeck - QB - SEA
3.12) Jaguar - Antonio Gates - TE - SD
3.13) Tuberski - Corey Dillon - RB - NE
3.14) Reismark - Jamal Lewis - RB - BAL

4.14) Reismark - Roy Williams WR - DET
4.13) Tuberski - Joe Horn WR - NO
4.12) Jaguar - Chester Taylor RB - MIN
4.11) Vlad-Tony Gonzalez- TE - KC
4.10) Koyaanisqatsi - DeShaun Foster RB - CAR
4.09) Snoopy369 - Darrell Jackson WR - SEA
4.08) Donegeal - Jake Delhomme - QB - CAR
4.07) Spaced Cowboy - Joseph Addai - RB - IND
4.06) Japher - Eli Manning - QB - NYG
4.05) SlowwHand - Marc Bulger - QB- StL
4.04) Stuie - Joey Galloway - WR - TB
4.03) Berzerker - Donovan McNabb - QB - PHI
4.02) Zopperoni - T.J. Houshmandzadeh - WR - CIN
4.01) Albert Speer - Thomas Jones - RB - CHI

5.01) Albert Speer - Plaxico Burress - WR - NYG
5.02) Zopperoni - Donald Driver - WR - GB
5.03) Berzerker - Jeremy Shockey - TE - NYG
5.04) Stuie - Todd Heap - TE - BAL
5.05) SlowwHand - Andre Johnson - WR - HOU
5.06) Japher - Javon Walker - WR - DEN
5.07) Spaced Cowboy - Jason Witten - TE - DAL
5.08) Donegeal - Lee Evans - WR - BUF
5.09) Snoopy369 - Fred Taylor - RB - JAX
5.10) Koyaanisqatsi - Deion Branch - WR - NE
5.11) Vlad - Kurt Warner - QB - ARZ
5.12) Jaguar - Derrick Mason - WR - BAL
5.13) Tuberski - Drew Brees - QB - NO
5.14) Reismark - Deuce McAllister - RB - NO

6.14) Reismark - Dante Culpepper - QB - MIA
6.13) Tuberski - Kellen Winslow Jr. - TE - CLE
6.12) Jaguar - Rod Smith - WR - DEN
6.11) Vlad- Ron Dayne- RB- DEN
6.10) Koyaanisqatsi - Michael Clayton - WR - TB
6.09) Snoopy369 - Donte Stallworth - WR - NO
6.08) Donegeal - Koren Robinson - WR - MIN
6.07) Spaced Cowboy - Terry Glenn - WR - DAL
6.06) Japher - DeAngelo Williams - RB - CAR
6.05) SlowwHand - Chris Cooley - TE - WAS
6.04) Stuie - Curtis Martin - RB - NYJ
6.03) Berzerker - Ahman Green - RB - GB
6.02) Zopperoni - Eddie Kennison - WR - KC
6.01) Albert Speer - Alge Crumpler - TE - ATL

7.01) Albert Speer - Matt Jones - WR - JAX
7.02) Zopperoni - Jake Plummer - QB - DEN
7.03) Berzerker - Frank Gore - RB - SF
7.04) Stuie - Keenan McCardell - WR - SD
7.05) SlowwHand - Marion Barber - RB - DAL
7.06) Japher - Michael Vick - QB - ATL
7.07) Spaced Cowboy - Chris Perry - RB - CIN
7.08) Donegeal - Brian Urlacher - LB - CHI
7.09) Snoopy369 - Dominic Rhodes RB - IND
7.10) Koyaanisqatsi - Jonathan Vilma - LB - NYJ
7.11) Vlad - Samkon Gado - RB - GB
7.12) Jaguar - Keith Bulluck - LB - TEN
7.13) Tuberski - Jerry Porter - WR - OAK
7.14) Reismark - Donnie Edwards - LB - SD

8.14) Reismark - Heath Miller - TE - PIT
8.13) Tuberski - Chris Brown - RB - TEN
8.12) Jaguar - Terrence McGee - DB - BUF
8.11) Vlad- Nate Burleson - WR - SEA
8.10) Koyaanisqatsi - Lofa Tatupu - LB - SEA
8.09) Snoopy369 - Mike Peterson - LB - JAX
8.08) Donegeal - Zach Thomas - LB - MIA
8.07) Spaced Cowboy - Cedric Benson - RB - CHI
8.06) Japher - Vernon Davis - TE - SF
8.05) SlowwHand - A.J. Hawk - LB - GB
8.04) Stuie - Mewelde Moore - RB - MIN
8.03) Berzerker - Pacman Jones - DB - TEN
8.02) Zopperoni - Ray Lewis - LB - BAL
8.01) Albert Speer - Antonio Pierce - LB - NYG

9.01) Albert Speer - Chris Simms - QB -TB
9.02) Zopperoni - Drew Bennett - WR - TEN
9.03) Berzerker - Muhsin Muhammad WR - CHI
9.04) Stuie - Reggie Brown - WR - PHI
9.05) SlowwHand - Jeremiah Trotter - LB - PHI
9.06) Japher - Brandon Lloyd - WR - WAS
9.07) Spaced Cowboy - Ben Roethlisberger - QB - PIT
9.08) Donegeal - London Fletcher - LB - BUF
9.09) Snoopy369 - Andra Davis - LB - CLE
9.10) Koyaanisqatsi - Derrick Brooks - LB - TB
9.11) Vlad - Mark Clayton - WR - BAL
9.12) Jaguar - Laveranues Coles - WR - NYJ
9.13) Tuberski -
9.14) Reismark -

Nice pick, vlad.

[Japher]

finally picking up your starting WR?

[Tuberski]

1.01) Albert Speer - Tiki Barber - RB - NYG
1.02) Zopperoni - Larry Johnson - RB - KC
1.03) Berzerker - Shaun Alexander - RB - SEA
1.04) Stuie - Peyton Manning - QB - IND
1.05) SlowwHand - LaDainian Tomlinson - RB - SD
1.06) Japher - Clinton Portis - RB - WAS
1.07) Spaced Cowboy - Rudi Johnson - RB - CIN
1.08) Donegeal - Edgerrin James - RB - ARI
1.09) Snoopy369 - Stephen Jackson - RB - StL
1.10) Koyaanisqatsi - Ronnie Brown - RB - MIA
1.11) Vlad - LaMont Jordan - RB - OAK
1.12) Jaguar - Brian Westbrook - RB - PHI
1.13) Tuberski - Carnell Williams - RB - TB
1.14) Reismark - Willis McGahee - RB - BUF

2.14) Reismark - Steve Smith - WR - CAR
2.13) Tuberski - Larry Fitzgerald - WR - ARI
2.12) Jaguar - Domanick Davis RB - HOU
2.11) Vlad-Randy Moss - WR - OAK
2.10) Koyaanisqatsi - Tom Brady - QB - NE
2.09) Snoopy369 - Chad Johnson - WR - CIN
2.08) Donegeal - Julius Jones - RB - DAL
2.07) Spaced Cowboy - Drew Bledsoe - QB - DAL
2.06) Japher - Marvin Harrison - WR - IND
2.05) SlowwHand - Terrell Owens - WR - DAL
2.04) Stuie - Warrick Dunn - RB - ATL
2.03) Berzerker - Anquan Boldin - WR - ARI
2.02) Zopperoni - Torry Holt - WR - StL
2.01) Albert Speer - Trent Green - QB - KC

3.01) Albert Speer - Chris Chambers - WR - MIA
3.02) Zopperoni - Kevin Jones - RB - DET
3.03) Berzerker - Tatum Bell - RB - DEN
3.04) Stuie - Hines Ward - WR - PIT
3.05) SlowwHand - Reuben Droughns - RB - CLE
3.06) Japher - Reggie Bush - RB - NO
3.07) Spaced Cowboy - Santana Moss - WR - WAS
3.08) Donegeal - Willie Parker - RB - PIT
3.09) Snoopy369 - Carson Palmer - QB - CIN
3.10) Koyaanisqatsi - Reggie Wayne - WR - IND
3.11) Vlad - Matt Hasselbeck - QB - SEA
3.12) Jaguar - Antonio Gates - TE - SD
3.13) Tuberski - Corey Dillon - RB - NE
3.14) Reismark - Jamal Lewis - RB - BAL

4.14) Reismark - Roy Williams WR - DET
4.13) Tuberski - Joe Horn WR - NO
4.12) Jaguar - Chester Taylor RB - MIN
4.11) Vlad-Tony Gonzalez- TE - KC
4.10) Koyaanisqatsi - DeShaun Foster RB - CAR
4.09) Snoopy369 - Darrell Jackson WR - SEA
4.08) Donegeal - Jake Delhomme - QB - CAR
4.07) Spaced Cowboy - Joseph Addai - RB - IND
4.06) Japher - Eli Manning - QB - NYG
4.05) SlowwHand - Marc Bulger - QB- StL
4.04) Stuie - Joey Galloway - WR - TB
4.03) Berzerker - Donovan McNabb - QB - PHI
4.02) Zopperoni - T.J. Houshmandzadeh - WR - CIN
4.01) Albert Speer - Thomas Jones - RB - CHI

5.01) Albert Speer - Plaxico Burress - WR - NYG
5.02) Zopperoni - Donald Driver - WR - GB
5.03) Berzerker - Jeremy Shockey - TE - NYG
5.04) Stuie - Todd Heap - TE - BAL
5.05) SlowwHand - Andre Johnson - WR - HOU
5.06) Japher - Javon Walker - WR - DEN
5.07) Spaced Cowboy - Jason Witten - TE - DAL
5.08) Donegeal - Lee Evans - WR - BUF
5.09) Snoopy369 - Fred Taylor - RB - JAX
5.10) Koyaanisqatsi - Deion Branch - WR - NE
5.11) Vlad - Kurt Warner - QB - ARZ
5.12) Jaguar - Derrick Mason - WR - BAL
5.13) Tuberski - Drew Brees - QB - NO
5.14) Reismark - Deuce McAllister - RB - NO

6.14) Reismark - Dante Culpepper - QB - MIA
6.13) Tuberski - Kellen Winslow Jr. - TE - CLE
6.12) Jaguar - Rod Smith - WR - DEN
6.11) Vlad- Ron Dayne- RB- DEN
6.10) Koyaanisqatsi - Michael Clayton - WR - TB
6.09) Snoopy369 - Donte Stallworth - WR - NO
6.08) Donegeal - Koren Robinson - WR - MIN
6.07) Spaced Cowboy - Terry Glenn - WR - DAL
6.06) Japher - DeAngelo Williams - RB - CAR
6.05) SlowwHand - Chris Cooley - TE - WAS
6.04) Stuie - Curtis Martin - RB - NYJ
6.03) Berzerker - Ahman Green - RB - GB
6.02) Zopperoni - Eddie Kennison - WR - KC
6.01) Albert Speer - Alge Crumpler - TE - ATL

7.01) Albert Speer - Matt Jones - WR - JAX
7.02) Zopperoni - Jake Plummer - QB - DEN
7.03) Berzerker - Frank Gore - RB - SF
7.04) Stuie - Keenan McCardell - WR - SD
7.05) SlowwHand - Marion Barber - RB - DAL
7.06) Japher - Michael Vick - QB - ATL
7.07) Spaced Cowboy - Chris Perry - RB - CIN
7.08) Donegeal - Brian Urlacher - LB - CHI
7.09) Snoopy369 - Dominic Rhodes RB - IND
7.10) Koyaanisqatsi - Jonathan Vilma - LB - NYJ
7.11) Vlad - Samkon Gado - RB - GB
7.12) Jaguar - Keith Bulluck - LB - TEN
7.13) Tuberski - Jerry Porter - WR - OAK
7.14) Reismark - Donnie Edwards - LB - SD

8.14) Reismark - Heath Miller - TE - PIT
8.13) Tuberski - Chris Brown - RB - TEN
8.12) Jaguar - Terrence McGee - DB - BUF
8.11) Vlad- Nate Burleson - WR - SEA
8.10) Koyaanisqatsi - Lofa Tatupu - LB - SEA
8.09) Snoopy369 - Mike Peterson - LB - JAX
8.08) Donegeal - Zach Thomas - LB - MIA
8.07) Spaced Cowboy - Cedric Benson - RB - CHI
8.06) Japher - Vernon Davis - TE - SF
8.05) SlowwHand - A.J. Hawk - LB - GB
8.04) Stuie - Mewelde Moore - RB - MIN
8.03) Berzerker - Pacman Jones - DB - TEN
8.02) Zopperoni - Ray Lewis - LB - BAL
8.01) Albert Speer - Antonio Pierce - LB - NYG

9.01) Albert Speer - Chris Simms - QB -TB
9.02) Zopperoni - Drew Bennett - WR - TEN
9.03) Berzerker - Muhsin Muhammad WR - CHI
9.04) Stuie - Reggie Brown - WR - PHI
9.05) SlowwHand - Jeremiah Trotter - LB - PHI
9.06) Japher - Brandon Lloyd - WR - WAS
9.07) Spaced Cowboy - Ben Roethlisberger - QB - PIT
9.08) Donegeal - London Fletcher - LB - BUF
9.09) Snoopy369 - Andra Davis - LB - CLE
9.10) Koyaanisqatsi - Derrick Brooks - LB - TB
9.11) Vlad - Mark Clayton - WR - BAL
9.12) Jaguar - Laveranues Coles - WR - NYJ
b3) Tuberski - Jonathan Vilma - LB - NYJ
9.14) Reismark -

ACK!

[Jaguar]

Japher: Me, or Vlad?

I'm not starting Coles, I'm starting three RBs. If the Jets figure out how to get a competent and healthy quarterback out of the four they have, he should be great. However, I'm not counting on it, and that's why Coles is a backup.

Tuber: Vilma was taken two rounds ago.

[Berzerker]

pick again Tuber