Israel invades Lebanon after new capturing of soldiers

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Spiffor
The ETA terrorists didn't kill civilians, err...
had no mainstream support from the US, uuuuuh....
were fully pursued in the US, no, still not that....

I don't believe ETA has mainstream support in the US.

[muxec]

Originally posted by Colonâ„¢
I don't think it's a good idea to assume that just because you do something, anything, the situation would be better than it'd be doing nothing.

Doing nothing will be treated as sign of weakness and idleness.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
I don't believe ETA has mainstream support in the US.

Oopsie, I'm tired

I bet you that at some time, I'll mistakenly write "Hamas" when referring to the terrorists the American public love

[Barnabas]

In another forum I post in there are many verey nationalistic israelis, and many of them think bombing the beirut airport was wrong and that olmert doesnt know what he is doing, so I guess this is even controversial in Israel.

[Colonâ„¢]

Originally posted by muxec

Doing nothing will be treated as sign of weakness and idleness.

The curse of perception that often leads to round after round of disastrous escalation.

[Proteus_MST]

Originally posted by Sikander
Yea, note the constant enmity of Germany and Japan against the U.S. after it flattened almost every city in both countries in WW2, killing hundreds of thousands. We created millions of terrorists whose only thought was to destroy Americans wherever they could be found.

Different situation.
Germany had no history of terrorist attacks (aside from few examples) and hadn´t a culture where terrorist attacks were encouraged.
Same goes for japan.
Both states emphasized honor as one of the virtues of a soldier (at least during fight; it didn´t stop both states from mistreating POWs ornkilling civilians as revenge for partisan attacks though)
Therefore you wouldn´t have seen a lot of partisan/terrorist activity, for one because of the reason mentioned above, for the other also, because many or even most of the people didn´t like the Hitler- regime and therefore were glad as the americans came.
As for Japan, here it was much simpler, the people within the military which wouldn´t accept a surrender just commited seppuku
It might also be important to note that the war against japan and germany involved very similar cultures with a similar standard of living and a similar level of technology.

Now we have the muslim countries. Compared to Israel they have a lower tech level and a lower standard of living.
They are also culturally different and have another religion. And, as their relgiion says that you should never abandon a region populated by muslims to unbelievers, many of them are also angry towards israel and saw the population by zionists during the End of the 19th/beginning of the 20th century as a form of invasion.
Therefore I think you´ve got an entirely different case here.
The muslim terrorists have a very strong religious motivation for sacrificing their own lifes in attacks against israel, whereas the germans and japanese had absolutely no reason to do so, as soon as they were freed from their former regime.
Combine it with attacks by israel against innocent civilians (even if motivated by terrorist attacks) and you´ve got the perfect reason for people to join the terrorist ranks (i.e. anger, for example because of loved ones lost during israel attacks,combined with religious reasons like war against unbelievers)

[Spiffor]

The curse of perception that often leads to round after round of disastrous escalation.

Yup.

Colon, when you counted the 8 Israeli dead by rockets (in the past 5 years), did you include the one from yesterday?

[germanos]

My heart bleeds...

I remember all to well waking up to the sound of AAA...

Seeing Israeli ships offshore Beirut...

Helicopters from them flying in over the beaches...

The airport covered in smoke...

Donating blood at the hospital...

My heart bleeds for you, Lebanon, being raped once again...

[atawa]

Does anyone actualy still care when the semites are out killing each other again?

[Az]

My heart bleeds for you, Lebanon, being raped once again...

shouldn't have dropped the soap....

Go after Southern Lebanon and Hezbollah's leadership there. The Lebanese government may privately thank them for it. But as soon as they bomb the only international airport in the capital... well, all bets are off.

trust me, if we invade southern lebanon by foot, these civilian casualties will be a drop in the ocean, and it would be seen as a much more severe operation by the "intl. community", no matter what you say.

n another forum I post in there are many verey nationalistic israelis, and many of them think bombing the beirut airport was wrong and that olmert doesnt know what he is doing, so I guess this is even controversial in Israel.

It's mostly seen as a weak move, similar to bombing empty territories in Gaza. The Israeli public sees it more as a sign of not being resolute enough.

I agree - a full ground invasion of S Lebanon is the only way to go.

[germanos]

Originally posted by Az

My heart bleeds for you, Lebanon, being raped once again...

shouldn't have dropped the soap....

Sorry that I missed that, but indeed: dropping soap is asking for rape.

I won't shed a tear for you Az.

[Az]

As if it would have helped me!

I, of course, was kidding, but I really don't feel like excusing myself to anyone - esp. not to anyone who thinks that Lebanon is "being raped".

I did find your pretentious poeticism of your previous post pretty vulgar, I must say. I don't really know, or care, what were your occurings in Lebanon, but if you ever happen to arrive there again, tell them that no matter what they feel towards their neighbours to the south, the feelings are reciprocated on an indvidual basis.

[Spiffor]

Edit: xpost

[Az]

yeah, we are busted!

As a senior agent of the israeli government, I've spilled the beans! stop the presses!

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Az
As a senior agent of the israeli government, I've spilled the beans! stop the presses!

Tell me, is there currently a mainstream debate in Israel, about whether the country needs to restore its deterrance potential?