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Well, given that 5 out of the 6 guys that were returned to France to be tried were let free while awaiting their trials, I'd be willing to bet most of these guys aren't too dangerous.
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Originally posted by Q Cubed
If they hadn't made a lifestyle choice to become ethnically terrorist, then they wouldn't be guilty and wouldn't be at Gitmo.
Simple as that.
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You can be guilty and not proven guilty. It's not incongruous. Stop acting like it is.Originally posted by General Ludd
I don't understand how people can say that they are mostly guilty while at the same time acknowledging that it can't be/hasn't be proven."You're the biggest user of hindsight that I've ever known. Your favorite team, in any sport, is the one that just won. If you were a woman, you'd likely be a slut." - Slowwhand, to Imran
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I didn't say that they can't be guilty.Originally posted by Jaguar
You can be guilty and not proven guilty. It's not incongruous. Stop acting like it is.
I just don't understand how someone can acknowledge that the US is being "lazy, evil, or incompetant" by imprisoning innocent people and not bothering to try to prove the guilt of anyone, while still having faith that most of the people they took in must be guilty.
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Impossible to say. What can be said for sure is that some of them are innocent. It's just the law of.. what ever mathematics. But what is the percentage, that's more interesting. Is it correlating with teh normal prison population around the world, higher or lower.
Ever since the fact came known, that some of them have been sold, it all is unknown. It's just a product of legit captures combined with wich hunt. I mean, there have been prisoners sold by the locals. So.. impossible to say.
To say they are all dangerous prisoners is IMO false. Well, maybe they now are dangerous, after being captive for so long and under harsh conditions.. I'd have hard time forgiving.
But what is certain is that there must be some dangerous individuals as well. Tough to say what the percentages are. My guess is no guess.In da butt.
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It is an illogical leap to say that the people that took enemy combatants into custody are the same people that are failing to prosecute those enemy combatants now.Click here if you're having trouble sleeping.
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Originally posted by Lorizael
It is an illogical leap to say that the people that took enemy combatants into custody are the same people that are failing to prosecute those enemy combatants now.
It's not illogical at all. It is the same organization that isresponsible in both instances, and if there are innocent people being held then the blame lies as much with those who initially imprisoned them as with those who keep them imprisoned.Rethink Refuse Reduce Reuse
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I say they are mainly innolty, but some are probably guilcent.BlahComment
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Same organization being... the military, the administration? Can you seriously lump together everyone associated with either of those two organizations and say they should all be blamed for this?Originally posted by General Ludd
It's not illogical at all. It is the same organization that isresponsible in both instances, and if there are innocent people being held then the blame lies as much with those who initially imprisoned them as with those who keep them imprisoned.
Soldiers in Afghanistan have made numerous choices as to who they should imprison; some of those choices have been good, some have been bad. At Gitmo, however, there is a difference. One choice has been made, and this choice is that the prisoners there are not entitled to due process.
I can forgive the soldiers in Afghanistan for the individual incorrect choices they've made, because I'm sure many of their choices have been correct. I cannot forgive the choice of the administration to punish an entire group of people unilaterally.
I trust the collective of judgment of thousands of soldiers that are intimately involved with the process of apphrending and imprisoning 'enemy combatants' before I trust the judgment of our leaders to label an entire group as guilty.Click here if you're having trouble sleeping.
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Originally posted by General Ludd
I don't understand how people can say that they are mostly guilty while at the same time acknowledging that it can't be/hasn't be proven.
Uhhhh, this wasn't a random traffic stop. Look at the circumstances under which they were captured.
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If any of the were obviously guilty of anything serious, they would have been tried already. Why pass up such a golden opportunity?
Gitmo is a travesty. If they are terrorist, try them. Being a soldier of the Taliban does not make you a terrorist, and those men should be released asap.If you don't like reality, change it! me
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Everyone in this board is guilty of something.Originally posted by Spiffor
They are all definitely guilty of something.
So whom should be send to Gitmo?If you don't like reality, change it! me
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Why should they be released asap? Being a soldier of the Taliban means you're a POW and liable to be held for the duration of the conflict.Originally posted by GePap
Being a soldier of the Taliban does not make you a terrorist, and those men should be released asap.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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