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  • Re: Scientists OK Gore's Movie for Accuracy

    Originally posted by chegitz guevara


    You can admit you were completely and totally wrong now, Berz.
    and in fairness the response


    Majority Press Release
    Contact: MARC MORANO (marc_morano@epw.senate.gov) 202-224-5762, MATT DEMPSEY (matthew_dempsey@epw.senate.gov) 202-224-9797

    AP INCORRECTLY CLAIMS SCIENTISTS PRAISE GORE’S MOVIE
    June 27, 2006

    The June 27, 2006 Associated Press (AP) article titled “Scientists OK Gore’s Movie for Accuracy” by Seth Borenstein raises some serious questions about AP’s bias and methodology.

    AP chose to ignore the scores of scientists who have harshly criticized the science presented in former Vice President Al Gore’s movie “An Inconvenient Truth.”

    In the interest of full disclosure, the AP should release the names of the “more than 100 top climate researchers” they attempted to contact to review “An Inconvenient Truth.” AP should also name all 19 scientists who gave Gore “five stars for accuracy.” AP claims 19 scientists viewed Gore’s movie, but it only quotes five of them in its article. AP should also release the names of the so-called scientific “skeptics” they claim to have contacted.

    The AP article quotes Robert Correll, the chairman of the Arctic Climate Impact Assessment group. It appears from the article that Correll has a personal relationship with Gore, having viewed the film at a private screening at the invitation of the former Vice President. In addition, Correll’s reported links as an “affiliate” of a Washington, D.C.-based consulting firm that provides “expert testimony” in trials and his reported sponsorship by the left-leaning Packard Foundation, were not disclosed by AP. See http://www.junkscience.com/feb06.htm

    The AP also chose to ignore Gore’s reliance on the now-discredited “hockey stick” by Dr. Michael Mann, which claims that temperatures in the Northern Hemisphere remained relatively stable over 900 years, then spiked upward in the 20th century, and that the 1990’s were the warmest decade in at least 1000 years. Last week’s National Academy of Sciences report dispelled Mann’s often cited claims by reaffirming the existence of both the Medieval Warm Period and the Little Ice Age. See Senator Inhofe’s statement on the broken “Hockey Stick.” (http://epw.senate.gov/pressitem.cfm?party=rep&id=257697 )

    Gore’s claim that global warming is causing the snows of Mt. Kilimanjaro to disappear has also been debunked by scientific reports. For example, a 2004 study in the journal Nature makes clear that Kilimanjaro is experiencing less snowfall because there’s less moisture in the air due to deforestation around Kilimanjaro.

    Here is a sampling of the views of some of the scientific critics of Gore:

    Professor Bob Carter, of the Marine Geophysical Laboratory at James Cook University in Australia, on Gore’s film:

    "Gore's circumstantial arguments are so weak that they are pathetic. It is simply incredible that they, and his film, are commanding public attention."

    "The man is an embarrassment to US science and its many fine practitioners, a lot of whom know (but feel unable to state publicly) that his propaganda crusade is mostly based on junk science." – Bob Carter as quoted in the Canadian Free Press, June 12, 2006

    Richard S. Lindzen, the Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Atmospheric Science at MIT, wrote:

    “A general characteristic of Mr. Gore's approach is to assiduously ignore the fact that the earth and its climate are dynamic; they are always changing even without any external forcing. To treat all change as something to fear is bad enough; to do so in order to exploit that fear is much worse.” - Lindzen wrote in an op-ed in the June 26, 2006 Wall Street Journal

    Gore’s film also cites a review of scientific literature by the journal Science which claimed 100% consensus on global warming, but Lindzen pointed out the study was flat out incorrect.

    “…A study in the journal Science by the social scientist Nancy Oreskes claimed that a search of the ISI Web of Knowledge Database for the years 1993 to 2003 under the key words "global climate change" produced 928 articles, all of whose abstracts supported what she referred to as the consensus view. A British social scientist, Benny Peiser, checked her procedure and found that only 913 of the 928 articles had abstracts at all, and that only 13 of the remaining 913 explicitly endorsed the so-called consensus view. Several actually opposed it.”- Lindzen wrote in an op-ed in the June 26, 2006 Wall Street Journal.

    Roy Spencer, principal research scientist for the University of Alabama in Huntsville, wrote an open letter to Gore criticizing his presentation of climate science in the film:

    “…Temperature measurements in the arctic suggest that it was just as warm there in the 1930's...before most greenhouse gas emissions. Don't you ever wonder whether sea ice concentrations back then were low, too?”- Roy Spencer wrote in a May 25, 2006 column.

    Former University of Winnipeg climatology professor Dr. Tim Ball reacted to Gore’s claim that there has been a sharp drop-off in the thickness of the Arctic ice cap since 1970.

    "The survey that Gore cites was a single transect across one part of the Arctic basin in the month of October during the 1960s when we were in the middle of the cooling period. The 1990 runs were done in the warmer month of September, using a wholly different technology,” –Tim Ball said, according to the Canadian Free Press.
    "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

    “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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    • This one was my fav

      Gore’s film also cites a review of scientific literature by the journal Science which claimed 100% consensus on global warming, but Lindzen pointed out the study was flat out incorrect.

      “…A study in the journal Science by the social scientist Nancy Oreskes claimed that a search of the ISI Web of Knowledge Database for the years 1993 to 2003 under the key words "global climate change" produced 928 articles, all of whose abstracts supported what she referred to as the consensus view. A British social scientist, Benny Peiser, checked her procedure and found that only 913 of the 928 articles had abstracts at all, and that only 13 of the remaining 913 explicitly endorsed the so-called consensus view. Several actually opposed it.”- Lindzen wrote in an op-ed in the June 26, 2006 Wall Street Journal.
      Seems even peer reviews of peer reviews get completely fouled up.

      The fun they are having circle jerking over at Tim Lamberts site is amazing. Some amazing hacks.
      Last edited by Ogie Oglethorpe; June 28, 2006, 15:55.
      "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

      “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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      • So your article does to the AP article what Gore did to the unnamed scientists That article doesn't even attempt to cite flaws in the film or the AP methodology. It just basically says, "That AP article praises Gore, it must clearly be that hippie liberal media. We demand ammounts of information that would have bored the readers, and therefore was left out of the article. Clearly the fact that the AP doesn't take us seriously and didn't immediately respond to our requests means they're hiding something."
        "The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists."
        -Joan Robinson

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        • Victor

          Actually the AP story and the mindless syncophants do more to discredit the story than any Senate Majority press release ever could. Translation it helps to read.

          Pertinent sections - 1

          The fawning overreaching conclusion

          The nation's top climate scientists are giving "An Inconvenient Truth," Al Gore's documentary on global warming, five stars for accuracy.
          Pertinent section - 2

          The reality several paragraphs down

          The AP contacted more than 100 top climate researchers by e-mail and phone for their opinion. Among those contacted were vocal skeptics of climate change theory. Most scientists had not seen the movie, which is in limited release, or read the book.

          But those who have seen it had the same general impression: Gore conveyed the science correctly; the world is getting hotter and it is a manmade catastrophe-in-the-making caused by the burning of fossil fuels.
          Lets employ logic just for a second. I promise to be brief so it will not tax too much. It is a fair assumption that those who are skeptical of such prattlings would likewise deem it a complete waste of time to even dignify the movie/book with an investment of their time. Those imbeciles.... sorry... Those blessed with the proclivity to fall for this tripe will more than likely be going in droves to see said movie or read said book.

          The fact that they attempted to contact 100 researchers and got only a few that saw the movie is a smoke screen, a deception, a sham. Throw out a huge number of 'experts' and in fine print later on say we had a few that actually saw it.
          "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

          “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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          • Regardless of debate on, well, anything of any merit, I'd say ignore that AP article.

            Imagine if someone posted that bit of illogic here... there'd a race to "reply with quote" smacking the poster in the head with a trout.

            The fact that AP put it out... bad editing/journalism, to say the least.
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            • Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
              Lets employ logic just for a second. I promise to be brief so it will not tax too much. It is a fair assumption that those who are skeptical of such prattlings would likewise deem it a complete waste of time to even dignify the movie/book with an investment of their time. Those imbeciles.... sorry... Those blessed with the proclivity to fall for this tripe will more than likely be going in droves to see said movie or read said book.

              The fact that they attempted to contact 100 researchers and got only a few that saw the movie is a smoke screen, a deception, a sham. Throw out a huge number of 'experts' and in fine print later on say we had a few that actually saw it.
              Your logic is fairly sound, but you also fail to take into account that most scientists won't go see it because it doesn't tell them anything they don't already know. The same way those scientists probably don't read all those books that try to put astrophysics into laymen's terms or whatever. I've personally not seen it either. Clearly I must believe Gore is a phony
              "The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists."
              -Joan Robinson

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              • Actually I'm sure there are more than a few physicists who have taken to reading Hawkings History of Time etc.

                They're geeks like that.
                "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

                “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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                • I personally am not much of a fan of popular physics books (although my mom did buy me one on string theory, which I haven't read yet). I much prefer the real thing (but understand that in some areas, which most don't need to study (String Theory and GR for example) that it can take to much effort to learn about the real thing).

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                  • Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
                    Actually I'm sure there are more than a few physicists who have taken to reading Hawkings History of Time etc.

                    They're geeks like that.
                    Yeah, I realized that was a bad example because well... It's Hawking who wrote it!! Gore is not a well-known scientist in any climate-related field, so kinda different there.
                    "The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists."
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                    • If I were a scientist in an area that a politician made a movie about, I would be interested due to the possible impact on future funding. I wouldn't be interested in the content because it probably would be a Readers Digest.
                      With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

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                      • Originally posted by Odin
                        I'm going to knock sensless the next dope who says that humans can't affect the climate.
                        Agree, though, I would try to convince by words first - jail isn't that funny
                        With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

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                        • Ogie, Berz, et al., you guys have convinced me.

                          Any claim that pollution and dirty energy are the cause of global warming is nothing but the fantasy of a few hair-brained, tree-hugging so-called "scientists" with their hands stuck firmly in the deep pockets of the "Green" movement. (Yeah, green like money.) If only liberals would stop believeing anything that their hero Al G(B)ore shoves down their throats. After all, its all just politics. I mean, even George Bush has caved in to the "scientific" liberal elite. Wtf? I can't believe I voted for him.

                          Clearly, alot of people have alot to gain by supporting stupid ideas like us being responsible for global warming, so you really can't believe any of it. And I mean, why should I take the word of someone who can't even get elected President anyways? So please, get off your special interests high horse and get a life.

                          Coal

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                          • It doesn't really work like that. Most of the funding decisions are made non-politicians.
                            "The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists."
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                            • Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn
                              Ogie, Berz, et al., you guys have convinced me.

                              Any claim that pollution and dirty energy are the cause of global warming is nothing but the fantasy of a few hair-brained, tree-hugging so-called "scientists" with their hands stuck firmly in the deep pockets of the "Green" movement. (Yeah, green like money.) If only liberals would stop believeing anything that their hero Al G(B)ore shoves down their throats. After all, its all just politics. I mean, even George Bush has caved in to the "scientific" liberal elite. Wtf? I can't believe I voted for him.

                              Clearly, alot of people have alot to gain by supporting stupid ideas like us being responsible for global warming, so you really can't believe any of it. And I mean, why should I take the word of someone who can't even get elected President anyways? So please, get off your special interests high horse and get a life.

                              Coal
                              If that is true, well, then I must say that you are pretty stupid

                              It might be true, but presently, there isn't undisputable evidence for it - actually, there is a lot of unanswered questions that are presently ignored because they contradicts the theory that humans are to blame.

                              That said, I for certain is in favour of reducing CO2 outlet, but for that simple matter that we need to improve energy effectivness, local pollution etc.

                              though, I'm not that much against preventing a new iceage - last time there was too much ice for convenience where I live
                              With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

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                              • Originally posted by Victor Galis
                                It doesn't really work like that. Most of the funding decisions are made non-politicians.
                                You may be right when it comes to wich projects that are selected, but it's politicians that decide in what direction research is going.
                                With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

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