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  • #46
    Originally posted by Vesayen
    Its not as bad as an aortic dissection and a bandaid.
    We'll agree to disagree on that.

    Does it? Senatorial races can sometimes be quite close. Depending on what state and district you live in, perhaps presidential.
    I live in Illinois, Vesayen. I'm from Georgia.

    I've never lived in a state where my vote mattered one whit.

    I am not satisfied with the current state of affairs. I am not alright with a plutocracy. However the alternative of American liberty permanently disappearing, massive loss of our military ability and significant harm to American standard of living, is worse.
    And you think the Democrats can safeguard that, or not erode it as fast. I disagree. You haven't made the case they wouldn't do the exact same thing, nor have they.

    After all, when confronted by every single example of these violations, these abuses, the Democrats could have, oh, I don't know, said something or tried to stop it before it became known on CNN.

    [/quote]Right now we have a choice between a government which is hellbent on taking our prosperity and our freedom, and a government which will only continue to maintain previous harms to our liberty and perhaps hand us prosperity.

    We can only realistically work both towards prosperity and greater freedom, from one of those scenarios. [/QUOTE]
    I have no confidence that the Democrats are not the in former category.
    B♭3

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Q Cubed
      And you think the Democrats can safeguard that, or not erode it as fast. I disagree. You haven't made the case they wouldn't do the exact same thing, nor have they.
      The democrats don't really want to erode our rights. What is more, every time they try it is POLITICALLY ADVANTAGOUS to the Republicans to create a big stink both in the media and the senate, so they do it.

      The democrats are not as much under the control of corporate interests as the Republicans are. For that reason alone they are less prone to corruption because corporate interests are the largest motivator and rewarder of corruption.



      Originally posted by Q Cubed
      After all, when confronted by every single example of these violations, these abuses, the Democrats could have, oh, I don't know, said something or tried to stop it before it became known on CNN.
      When they try to stop it they fail because they do not have a majority. CNN and other news outlets will not cover IMPORTANT political issues for a laundry list of reasons. They know its futile to take their case to the media right now and it is, isn't it?

      It does not help that the democrats are called unpatriotic and traitors every time they disagree with the Republican majority or the president.

      The AMERICAN PEOPLE don't know the difference so they are covering their own asses which really is understandible given the current political climate.

      The Democrats have lots of issues, problems and have made an assload of mistakes.

      Still better then the Republicans and for reasons I explained above, are still preferable.

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      • #48
        We desperately need a political realignment
        Why?
        I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Vesayen
          POLITICALLY ADVANTAGOUS... IMPORTANT... AMERICAN PEOPLE
          STOP SHOUTING. YOU'RE ANNOYING.
          I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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          • #50
            I didn't realize 5 words out of 200 was shouting.

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            • #51
              That's why I pointed it out to you.
              I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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              • #52
                Originally posted by DanS
                That's why I pointed it out to you.
                That's an awfully low CAPS for emphasis annoyance threshold you seem to have.

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                • #53
                  When they try to stop it they fail because they do not have a majority.
                  Bull****ing****. While that may be the case some of the time, it's very far from the case most of the time. Why didn't they make a stink about the NSA wiretapping before it became a big news media thing? Why didn't they make a bigger deal out of Valerie Plame before the news media?

                  The Democrats are spineless, snivelling cowards unable to take action on their own. Frankly, they're not leadership material, and there's no reason for me to give them the job.

                  It does not help that the democrats are called unpatriotic and traitors every time they disagree with the Republican majority or the president.
                  A good leader does what's right, not what appears right. That's the problem with this administration.

                  Unfortunately, the Democrats don't do what's right when it's needed, and only make the appearance of doing things right when the spotlight is on them.

                  I refuse to reward such sort of political grandstanding with my vote.

                  I refuse to support either of the two parties.
                  B♭3

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Geronimo
                    That's an awfully low CAPS for emphasis annoyance threshold you seem to have.
                    Read the rest of his/her drivel. Sometimes he/she even *EMPHASIZES* the shouting.

                    The Apolyton Society Against Thread Histrionics and Over-Medication thanks you for your attention.
                    Last edited by DanS; June 16, 2006, 12:08.
                    I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Q Cubed

                      Bull****ing****. While that may be the case some of the time, it's very far from the case most of the time. Why didn't they make a stink about the NSA wiretapping before it became a big news media thing? Why didn't they make a bigger deal out of Valerie Plame before the news media?

                      The Democrats are spineless, snivelling cowards unable to take action on their own. Frankly, they're not leadership material, and there's no reason for me to give them the job.


                      A good leader does what's right, not what appears right. That's the problem with this administration.

                      Unfortunately, the Democrats don't do what's right when it's needed, and only make the appearance of doing things right when the spotlight is on them.

                      I refuse to reward such sort of political grandstanding with my vote.

                      I refuse to support either of the two parties.
                      Q^3 speaks truth.

                      Q^3 rules.
                      "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

                      “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Q Cubed

                        Bull****ing****. While that may be the case some of the time, it's very far from the case most of the time. Why didn't they make a stink about the NSA wiretapping before it became a big news media thing? Why didn't they make a bigger deal out of Valerie Plame before the news media?

                        The Democrats are spineless, snivelling cowards unable to take action on their own. Frankly, they're not leadership material, and there's no reason for me to give them the job.


                        A good leader does what's right, not what appears right. That's the problem with this administration.

                        Unfortunately, the Democrats don't do what's right when it's needed, and only make the appearance of doing things right when the spotlight is on them.

                        I refuse to reward such sort of political grandstanding with my vote.

                        I refuse to support either of the two parties.
                        Once again, I never said they were good leaders, quite the opposite. Just better. When the Republicans threaten to end our prosperity and liberty, i'll take less corrupt, more competant sleezes then worry about getting rid of them later.

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                        • #57
                          Treat the symptoms, not the disease, Vesayen?
                          B♭3

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                          • #58
                            what we really need is a 3rd party based on the believers in smac
                            "I hope I get to punch you in the face one day" - MRT144, Imran Siddiqui
                            'I'm fairly certain that a ban on me punching you in the face is not a "right" worth respecting." - loinburger

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Q Cubed
                              Treat the symptoms, not the disease, Vesayen?
                              How many times do I need to re-word analogies in this thread? lol!

                              Our patient has several diseases. She has cancer and the common cold.

                              Let's cure the cold first, because thats going to kill her first.

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                              • #60
                                Colds are rarely fatal. What good is fixing that when she's pretty much dead from cancer?

                                Just because you're unwilling to tackle the big problem doesn't mean the rest of us shouldn't.
                                B♭3

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