What will happen to the universe?

[_BuRjaCi_]

Originally posted by Geronimo


excuse me? Humanity still doesn't yet know how evolution works. It's far from a dead area of investigation there is a wealth of insight being gained essentially nonstop on the intricacies of evolution past and present and there is little sign we will be done even decades from now puzzling out how it works and has worked in the past.

and for the record would you care to quote the part of the article you linked that answered lancer's question?

(stereotypical french accent) Zee stupid Americains.


Just, kiding. But I don't understand wether you are refering to the basic proces or the complex paritcularites?

[_BuRjaCi_]

Originally posted by Lorizael
Vesayen, while you are not the monumental genius you seem to think you are, you are more intelligent than the average person, and you are completely wrong about this. Most people don't get evolution. Therefore, it's not simple.

No, the real deduction from this is that most people are stupid.

[DaShi]

Originally posted by _BuRjaCi_


Yes, a bright lad named Albert figured that out some time ago.

What can I say? I'm behind my time.

[Lancer]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
If you want an example of a valid "Copernican" concern in modern cosmology then you don't have to go any further than the discovery that the Universe became dark energy dominated in the very recent past (our current time is much closer to the inflexion point than we have any reason to predict). Why do we just happen to be observing things at a very special time?

Now that's a fact that bothers cosmologists...

Why?

Berzerker

[_BuRjaCi_]

Originally posted by DaShi


What can I say? I'm behind my time.

Just kidding.

What is it that you actualy don't understand about everything being a state of energy?

Perhaphs I or some of the people here can help you, but you have got to be more specific because you can find the basic explanation on the wikipedia (look it up) and it would be a waste of time to explain everything.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by DaShi
How can you be certain?

You don't get any laws of physics in a ball of pure energy (something like that). Only a short while after the Bang did the laws for this universe come into being.

Well, this is my understanding of modern cosmology anyway.

[DaShi]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


You don't get any laws of physics in a ball of pure energy (something like that). Only a short while after the Bang did the laws for this universe come into being.

Well, this is my understanding of modern cosmology anyway.

So you're not certain. Yet you still believe this?

[DaShi]

Originally posted by _BuRjaCi_


Just kidding.

What is it that you actualy don't understand about everything being a state of energy?

Perhaphs I or some of the people here can help you, but you have got to be more specific because you can find the basic explanation on the wikipedia (look it up) and it would be a waste of time to explain everything.

What I don't understand in physics could fill several textbooks. I'm often just curious about some of the oddities and how wrong some of my crazy assumptions are.

But if you have a Theory of Everything, that would make things easier.

[_BuRjaCi_]

Originally posted by DaShi


What I don't understand in physics could fill several textbooks. I'm often just curious about some of the oddities and how wrong some of my crazy assumptions are.

But if you have a Theory of Everything, that would make things easier.

I don't have a TOE but I do have a basic understanding of E=mc2.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by _BuRjaCi_


Yes, a bright lad named Albert figured that out some time ago.

No, he didn't

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Lancer


Why?

Berzerker

Because odd coincidences bother us.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


You don't get any laws of physics in a ball of pure energy (something like that). Only a short while after the Bang did the laws for this universe come into being.

Well, this is my understanding of modern cosmology anyway.

Errrr....what?

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


Aren't you a condensed matter kind of physcist?

No, that changed quite a while ago.

[Geronimo]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse


Errrr....what?

Weren't the fundamental forces indistinguishable at those high energies? maybe that's what he meant?

[Blaupanzer]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse


Errrr....what?

Urban Ranger was providing a very, very condensed version of Hawkings theory that the laws of physics, as we know them, came into being microseconds after the Big Bang. The "ball of energy" he referred to was the time before those few microseconds.

I will bow to your expertise on the lambda-CDM. However, as I understand it, it requires we postulate an item (dark energy) to exist that we can neither identify or detect, let alone test. Since science is all about testing, how does dark energy (including dark matter) differ from the belief in angels or the "aethyr" theories of the late 1890s.

The original question was about the end of the universe. The universe appears perfectly capable of going on to ultimate entropy without the need for or use of dark energy.