Planning ahead = racist!

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by notyoueither


That's why the state sets a curriculum that has to be met.

I don't see a problem with presenting creationism after the curriculum is met. You might be shocked, but Canada has constitutionally mandated Catholic schools systems across the land, funded by the taxpayer. They are actually part of the multicultural landscape (extremely important ones at that).

I think we agree on several points - we too have several socalled "friskoler" where groups of parents, religious societies etc make their own schools witch has to meet some minimum standards. Though, it's not that I get reading this guy - I read him as he doesn't want this minimum unless on reading and writing skills - I could easily see him wanting darwinism replaced by creationism.

I don't mind teaching creationsim when it's done in the religion curriculum where it has it's rightful place.

[notyoueither]

I don't see anywhere that he is recommending not having a state set curriculum.

[BlackCat]

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=5214

Though, I must admit I can't catch the guy doing naughty things.

My problem may be that us rightwingers tend to be way beyond Attila the Hun, but what the heck - I myself is a european rightwinger and even leftie yanks will consider me a commie

[Q Classic]

Originally posted by Lancer
Meanwhile, sticking a knife in a guy while yelling 'you die honky pig' is mere cultural expression.

No, it's artistic. God, Lancer. You honkies just don't understand art or culture.

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by Caligastia
Fine, go to the source. Although they have changed their page after a barrage of criticsm, here is a link to a cached copy.

http://www.fourmilab.ch/fourmilog/ar...29/searace.htm

You're right. The page is down now. As far as I can learn, the webpage was the work of Dr. Caprice Hollins. the school systems's Director of Race Relations.

I googled "having a future time orientation," a phrase I'd never heard before. Cato's Andrew Coulson opines that it is "academese for having long-term goals." The first few dozen google hits either dealt with this controversy or with rehabilitation of spinal injuries. But Coulson's definition sounds reasonable.

A lot of the information on the site was good, but the assertions that indivualism is racist as is future-time orietnation--these statements are over the line. I'm pleased to see that the District acted responsibly and took the page off the internet.

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by Pekka
Cato Insitute is ultra right wing? BS.. it's libertarian...

Then why are my ultra-right-wing friends always quoting it to me??

[GePap]

And somehow state schools in many other parts of the world do a fine job educating their students on the basics.

So the question is why ahs public education in the US doen badly, because the world has shown that public education can work.

I say its all the anti-government bull, local control which leads to too many layers of beurocracy, treating education as a commodity, and low prestigue for education overall.

[GePap]

And on the original OP. THat is a pretty stupid thing to say. Everyon knows that its Asians that plan best. Why descriminate against all those white people with massive credit card debt?

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Zkribbler
A lot of the information on the site was good, but the assertions that indivualism is racist as is future-time orietnation--these statements are over the line. I'm pleased to see that the District acted responsibly and took the page off the internet.

Well, "future-time orientation" could mean a lot of things. One of the things Dr. King was often told was that whites weren't ready for civil rights to be enacted yet. Black people need to be more patient and wait for the future.

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara

Well, "future-time orientation" could mean a lot of things. One of the things Dr. King was often told was that whites weren't ready for civil rights to be enacted yet. Black people need to be more patient and wait for the future.

No offense, but isn't that a little bit obsolete ? or are you saying that the american society hasn't moved a bit in the last 35 years ?

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Look, the school policy sounds idiotic, and it misuses/abuses the term "racism," but here's the thing:

Understandings of time are culturally determined.

The relative value of individualism and collectivism are culturally determined.

Those are facts. Whether such facts require any action on the part of a school district is open to question. I would say they require some measure of patience -- and only some -- with immigrants, as a way of sheparding them to the American way of doing things -- which is one job a public school should do.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by BlackCat
No offense, but isn't that a little bit obsolete ? or are you saying that the american society hasn't moved a bit in the last 35 years ?

That is still an argument heard today.

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly
Look, the school policy sounds idiotic, and it misuses/abuses the term "racism," but here's the thing:

Understandings of time are culturally determined.

The relative value of individualism and collectivism are culturally determined.

Those are facts. Whether such facts require any action on the part of a school district is open to question. I would say they require some measure of patience -- and only some -- with immigrants, as a way of sheparding them to the American way of doing things -- which is one job a public school should do.

Saying that here despite of the sanity of your stament, would for sure mark you as an extreme rightwing racist

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


That is still an argument heard today.

haven't you yanks not learned anything ?

[Pekka]

Zkribbler, because they want to sound smart.