X-Men 3 Fricken Rocked!!

[Donegeal]

Not a chance in hell that the general public would buy into the original plot lines.

[Q Classic]

I think they would... just not when they're compressed into less than half the time of a 105-minute movie.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Donegeal
Not a chance in hell that the general public would buy into the original plot lines.

I dunno. There are a few storylines that could be used generally wholesale but in general you are correct. There was no chance in hell of the general public buying into a wholesale portrayal of The Dark Pheonix Saga for instance.

[OzzyKP]

Oh yea, that'd be excellent, alien battles on the moon, destroying stars, Glactus, that'd totally work..

I really don't see what people are complaining about. Q said the dialogue was bad... and you thought Storms line from X-Men when she fried Toad was good dialogue?

"You know what happens to a toad when its struck by lightening? The same thing that happens to everything else."

That's got to be one of the worst lines ever delivered in any movie.

Oh but Singer's a genius so we forgive him his sins.

I think X3's plots had as much development and as much attention as the plots in X1 and X2, the only difference is that X3 did it quicker. X3 kept all the juicy plot development and moral debate and characterization and such, he just took out all the filler and added some more special effects. He did more with less time.

I think people are confusing the faster pace and perhaps choppiness with leaving things out. I don't think he left anything out, he just did it faster.

[Lorizael]

Movie audiences:

Wait, you mean it's a clone, but it's also a cosmic psychic spirit, and it's a manifestation of her primal desires?

No.

[Q Classic]

OzzyKP:
I didn't say that Storm's dialogue has ever been good. Indeed, Storm has never been good, and Hally Berry should never have been cast.

On the other hand, should I give X3 a pass because of some weaknesses in the first two? Particularly when the weaknesses were not nearly as grave and repeated?

As far as the faster pace/choppiness being confusing? No. I was never lost in terms of plot or story through the whole movie. What I did feel, however, is that Ratner was of the mindset that dialogue and development is boring, testosterone-laced hyperkinetic wham-bang special effects are interesting. A faster pace is all right, so long as it doesn't feel rushed. Heck, Lola Rennt has an insanely manic pace, and yet the movie doesn't feel rushed, whereas this one...

No, X3's plots didn't have as much development. Things happened and were strung together by the flimsiest of plots, which only served as a platform for the real show.

Yeah, that was cool seeing Multiple Man jump around. Or Kitty Pryde and Juggernaut's little dance. Doesn't mean the movie was good.

In other words, this movie has all the initial tastiness of a McDonald's burger, but the same nutritiveness and the same dash through the system. It's hardly filling, and passes through you like so much other Hollywood crap. It doesn't hold a candle to X2 or SM2.

[OzzyKP]

I think the development of the cure plot was very well done. I don't know what you're talking about. I think Rogue's storyline was well done as well as a part of that. Angel's scenes were very moving.

The Phoenix plot was also done well. The Xavier & Wolverine scene was great. The flashback to young Jean was well done. The scene in the house with Magneto & Xavier was also good.

I think there was just as much character development and plot development as the previous two, but instead critics are too dazzled with the action sequences and forget about the rest of the movie.

[Q Classic]

Rogues storyline? Were we watching the same movie? All five scenes she was in, yes, we see her progress. Was there a cause for us to care? No.

Quite frustrating, because finally, after three movies, we have a compelling story for Rogue, one which could have been dealt with with entirely more depth and care, and instead, Ratner brushes it off as an afterthought.

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Angel's scenes at the beginning hold so much promise. The story could focus on his confused desire to be normal or not, on his family's dynamics with a father in search of the cure.

Instead, what are we treated to? His story is, again, an afterthought; he's brought in at convenient moments, forgotten elsewhere. His dialogue and actions have little or no effect on anything outside of his anemic subplot.

Moving? Hardly.

Spoiler:

Just a, "Way to go for saving your dad. You showed him."

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As far as the rest of the cure plot, it wasn't well done at all. They didn't push at all, merely scratching at the surface at what could have been done with it. The dilemma that the mutants faced regarding whether or not to take it? We could have seen it in Rogue, in Angel. We didn't, not really. We didn't see any complex moral judgements, we didn't see their thought processes, we didn't feel their confusion--

We only saw their answers.

Heck, what about the motivations of the X-Men themselves? Those weren't even touched on.

Spoiler:

Hank McCoy resigns his position as Secretary of Mutant Affairs over the fact that they made the cure into a weapon.

...so why then does he go and help defend the source of those weapons? To say, "Hey, not all mutants are bad?" Sure, but then why the heck would he resign in the first place, if he felt that strongly about making a difference?

Yes, I know he gets his job back. Doesn't mean his arc makes too much sense.

Or Storm--she says that they're not sick, that their condition isn't something to cure, and yet there she is, saving the cure. Where was the moment she changed her mind? Nowhere. Seems like she just went there to dick over Magneto. (That's not so out of character, actually... except you wouldn't know that if you weren't familiar with the comics.)

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The Phoenix plot? Better treated than the Cure plot, yes. And yet, it's also lacking, again because it felt rushed; nuances and pauses that would have been left in were taken out in order to keep up with a supercharged, Fast and Furious pace.

Jean Grey, in this movie, is no different from Anakin Skywalker. In other words, her descent into villiany was nothing more than a series of bad moods, dialogue and scenes written with such sparseness that it makes Hemmingway and Carver look like ****in' Dickens. What made her evil? Was it being left behind? Was it psychosis? Was it PMS?

If you didn't know the story from the get go, you wouldn't really know.

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Frankly, I disagree with your assessment about character and plot development. Critics such as myself, in this case, are not blinded by the action sequences to give a pass on the rest of the movie.

[Lorizael]

Jean had essentially no character throughout the entire movie. She just looked possessed.

[Tattila the Hun]

Spoiler:

Sentinel!

[Geronimo]

Originally posted by Tattila the Hun

Spoiler:

Sentinel!

If they ever do a movie with sentinals they'd better give them a massive hollywood overhaul or I really doubt the movie will have any acceptance from the general public at all.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by OzzyKP


And you wouldn't be offended to be called a child? It is a very weighted and insulting term. No matter who it is being called a child. Its sad, but its true.

Just like how southern whites would call blacks "boy". Except "child" has more sting to it. You knew damn well what you were saying so don't play innocent now. Maybe I should call Imran a "raghead" and see if he "overreacts".

Calling someone a child is universally a grave insult, and especially so in my case. You were intentionally being cruel and now you continue to mock me because I was rightfully offended by your comment.

You've become a PC cop.

[Q Classic]

Don't be gay, MrFun. The proper way of phrasing that is,

"You've become a PC cop, boy."

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Q Cubed
Don't be gay, MrFun. The proper way of phrasing that is,

"You've become a PC cop, boy."

The rumor that I'm gay is bogus.

[Dinner]

I thought the ending sucked really bad. Why kill Jean when you're surrounded by a million of those cure things? Just stab her with one of those and then she lives.